Your choice... plz answer all of you

[250]

Originally posted by Lord Shield: you wouldn't be so quick to tell them "oh well, that's life - just get on with it"

I already presented you two choices, why didn't you mention them in your post? why didn't you argue against them?

what you are doing is like cutting a word from a paragraph, out of conext

[250]

Originally posted by Lord Shield: I didn't say he was BORN strong-willed - where did you see that? - he was more likely raised in such a way he ended up with a strong character

a string of horrific incident could make him strong, or kill him
the same situation that raised him can make a loser out of someone else
so what does that mean? events are just events, it is the choices of each individual matters

[Melusine]

You present us with two options, but a. I cannot accpet the grounds on which you decide about the two options and b. you present one option as being weak, and to be overcome, and the other as right. Whereas it isn't always a matter of right or wrong, of choice.

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Originally posted by 250: then tell me what other choices can a mother make? other than the two I have presented? huh? what OTHER hoices? so far, none of you have really challenged my opinion yet which is: WHO is in control of his experience? WHO is accountable for his life? There is no reality, only perception You create your own experience, which in turn make you who you are

You're assuming the choices are just live or die? The debate started with HOW you live.

Nobody can control their experiences. You get hit by a car, you can't control that

Who is accountable? Why should anybody decide that? A manager is accountable but managers have training. Not everybody can be accountable for their lives

You control your experience? Really - sounds quite a closeted view - so when I heard on the radio that the IRA blew up my Dad's train some years ago, did I control that experience? Nope - fortunately it turned out he'd missed the train

If by control, you mean AFTERWARDS (as I think you have been) this depends on the character. I always end up turning thigs around - that's me - then again, I was raised with supportive parents and did a lot ofmartial training which disciplined my will. Does everybody have that advantage?


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[Harkoliar]

Originally posted by Melusine:
Please, PLEASE don't you dare make assumptions about my feelings/state of mind!
I find it incredibly offensive you assume to have that kind of knowledge about me.

methinks that making presumptions (im talking to you 250) (even though it sounds logical in your point of view) is like telling a person you know him/her when you dont know him/her at all and your like telling them what YOU think they are... observe politeness and let us not get carried away here.. besides, this thread is wwwwwwwwaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy off topic by now not that i do mind that one bit.

Origianlly posted by 250
you totally got my point. very nice debating with you, it has been an enjoyable experience

the pleasure is for the both of us... BUT (since im not yet completly satified) when you said earlier :

"we cannot ignore the EFFECT and what experiences an incident cause to people when we talk about incident

that baby died, so this incident means virtually nothing to him

then we need to discuss what impact the child's death has? well... shall we continue?

the child nor the mother is RESPONSIBLE for the death of the child, therefore how can there be control in the first place in this situation?

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[250]

Originally posted by Melusine: Of course, that is obvious, Harkoliar. Doh, I know he's not meaning to say we should celebrate sad events, but accept them and deal with them. That is perfectly clear to me. My disagreement in this is that I don't think everybody can deal with every situation and emerge a better person. I don't think the foolproof way of living a happy life is to choose to live one (though a positive approach is certainly helpful) because of circumstances that we cannot imagine (because we haven't experienced them ourselves).

fool proof way? you call "reasoning" "being rational" "face hurtful feelings" fool proof? well, what I did so far was presenting my opinion. obviously it "offended" you. you told me I was being insulting after all, and I am naive... well, funny, because until the third page of the debate, all you did was subtly attacking me

I don't care

but you really should consider challenging my opinion instead of throwing insulting words everyonce a while

[Melusine]

Originally posted by 250: fool proof way? you call "reasoning" "being rational" "face hurtful feelings" fool proof? well, what I did so far was presenting my opinion. obviously it "offended" you. you told me I was being insulting after all, and I am naive... well, funny, because until the third page of the debate, all you did was subtly attacking me I don't care but you really should consider challenging my opinion instead of throwing insulting words everyonce a while

Where did I say you offended me?? I am not offended at all, I just disagree! The only thing that you said that offended me was when you started to make assumptions about me on a personal level. I found that presumptious and uncalled for. How in the world did I "subtly attack you"?? Where did I throw insulting words around? I am just voicing my opinion.

EDIT: just a spelling mistake...
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[This message has been edited by Melusine (edited 10-06-2001).]

Originally posted by 250: fool proof way? you call "reasoning" "being rational" "face hurtful feelings" fool proof? well, what I did so far was presenting my opinion. obviously it "offended" you. you told me I was being insulting after all, and I am naive... well, funny, because until the third page of the debate, all you did was subtly attacking me I don't care but you really should consider challenging my opinion instead of throwing insulting words everyonce a while

You must have been reading different posts to the rest of us then. She may have been initially annoyed because of the coldheartedness of your statement, I should think, but I see no other insults in later posts, unless it's directed at your Darwinian statements, but those were simply opinions of her own

Then at your assumption that she is only defending her side of the argument because of hurt in HER life, which you know nothing about

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[This message has been edited by Lord Shield (edited 10-06-2001).]

[Harkoliar]

damn lag im way behind the argument now


Of course, that is obvious, Harkoliar. Doh, I know he's not meaning to say we should celebrate sad events, but accept them and deal with them. That is perfectly clear to me. My disagreement in this is that I don't think everybody can deal with every situation and emerge a better person. I don't think the foolproof way of living a happy life is to choose to live one (though a positive approach is certainly helpful) because of circumstances that we cannot imagine (because we haven't experienced them ourselves).


i agree with you on that Melusine... while 250 says (on what i understood so far) that positive attitude about a certain event will help change yourself to a positive effect, you say that there is not full proof way you will act positively since in the first place you havent experienced the pain or the sadness of the event therefore you cant exactly CHOOSE to be positive in that event... right??

ps: off-topic, if your wasting precious seconds typing my full name, Hark or Har will do fine

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[Melusine]

Originally posted by Harkoliar: damn lag im way behind the argument now Of course, that is obvious, Harkoliar. Doh, I know he's not meaning to say we should celebrate sad events, but accept them and deal with them. That is perfectly clear to me. My disagreement in this is that I don't think everybody can deal with every situation and emerge a better person. I don't think the foolproof way of living a happy life is to choose to live one (though a positive approach is certainly helpful) because of circumstances that we cannot imagine (because we haven't experienced them ourselves). i agree with you on that Melusine... while 250 says (on what i understood so far) that positive attitude about a certain event will help change yourself to a positive effect, you say that there is not full proof way you will act positively since in the first place you havent experienced the pain or the sadness of the event therefore you cant exactly CHOOSE to be positive in that event... right?? ps: off-topic, if your wasting precious seconds typing my full name, Hark or Har will do fine

Yes, that was exactly what I was trying to say, thanks for paraphrasing it better!
(I do agree that a positive stance can make all the difference, I didn't agree that you can always choose to find a way out, because sometimes there isn't one)

LOL - I was going to ask you about Hark - but in Dutch, it denotes a certain gardening tool...hehe, Har it is then

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