Bad Game Design (Spoilers)

Beaumanoir · 04-03-2002, 04:28 PM

I Know That Yoshimo Is A Traitor, But I Didn't Have Him When I Fought Irenicus. When I Got Back To Athkatala After The Underdark, I Walked Into The Copper Coronet And Yoshimo... Died. I Saw It. It Just Looked Like He Was Shot, And He Fell Down Dead With NO Explanation. Does Anyone Find That Stupid? If You Didn't Know He Was A Traitor, And You Didnt Have Him In Your Party, You'd Get Suspicious When He Just... DIED..

Spelca · 04-03-2002, 04:30 PM

I found him suspicious because he kept asking so many questions. AND because I found him in Irenicus dungeon. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Luvian · 04-03-2002, 08:17 PM

He die because he has a Gaias cast on him, and if he does not get you to irenicus he die.

Krishach · 04-03-2002, 09:22 PM

I say shove a Long Sword +1 up his back the second you see the sneaky hoodlum! He never pulled his weight around in my group anyway.

fable · 04-03-2002, 09:57 PM

1) He survived, free, in Irenicus' prison, making it alive past a variety of monsters with only modest hiding skills.

2) He keeps asking questions of my character.

3) His jokes are old.

He must die.

chevalier mal fet · 04-03-2002, 09:58 PM

Actually, paying enough attention to continuity to have a character whose under a spell in the storyline meet their end if thay fail at their task even though theyre not actively in your group is pretty darn good game design....shows the amount of thought that was put into all the myriad story elements in the game. Would it have been better if Yoshi had gone on living, even though you know he was supposed to die from the geas if he failed at his task? Its really hard to understand the use of the phrase "bad game design " , when reffering to a game like BG2. You should probably go out and buy Pools of Radiance 2 so you have a basis for comparison and can better put things in perspective.

Chev

Ceallach · 04-03-2002, 11:40 PM

that would've been cool!....i'll have to check it out now.....
i always hated him for 3 reasons.

1. he was bloody nosey!
2. he couldn't really use many weapons
3. you could tell that the b@stard was going to backstab you!

Beaumanoir · 04-04-2002, 12:29 PM

Yea But Some People Wont Know Why He Died!!

Suzaku · 04-04-2002, 12:45 PM

First time through I think people would keep him in your party seeing as how he's the best thief in the game(IMHO), plus I thought he's cool(still do after beating the game). Ahh, redemption...

04-03-2002, 04:28 PM	#1
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 36 Posts: 4,896	I Know That Yoshimo Is A Traitor, But I Didn't Have Him When I Fought Irenicus. When I Got Back To Athkatala After The Underdark, I Walked Into The Copper Coronet And Yoshimo... Died. I Saw It. It Just Looked Like He Was Shot, And He Fell Down Dead With NO Explanation. Does Anyone Find That Stupid? If You Didn't Know He Was A Traitor, And You Didnt Have Him In Your Party, You'd Get Suspicious When He Just... DIED.. __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

04-03-2002, 04:30 PM	#2
Spelca Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 3, 2002 Location: From Slovenia, in Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 931	I found him suspicious because he kept asking so many questions. AND because I found him in Irenicus dungeon. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ At one time or another there will be a choice: you or the wall. (J. Winterson)

04-03-2002, 08:17 PM	#3
Luvian Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 27, 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada Age: 44 Posts: 6,763	He die because he has a Gaias cast on him, and if he does not get you to irenicus he die. __________________ Once upon a time in Canada...

04-03-2002, 09:22 PM	#4
Krishach Drow Warrior Join Date: February 25, 2002 Location: Land of the free... ? Age: 39 Posts: 260	I say shove a Long Sword +1 up his back the second you see the sneaky hoodlum! He never pulled his weight around in my group anyway. __________________ - <b>The Official Topic Killer</b><br /><i>To fill that which is hollow with the substance of virtue...</i>

04-03-2002, 11:40 PM	#7
Ceallach Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: March 6, 2002 Location: Australia Age: 42 Posts: 25	that would've been cool!....i'll have to check it out now..... i always hated him for 3 reasons. 1. he was bloody nosey! 2. he couldn't really use many weapons 3. you could tell that the b@stard was going to backstab you! __________________ \"remember amateurs built the Ark<br />Professionals built the Titanic!\"<br />Kelly^Angel

04-03-2002, 09:57 PM	#5
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	1) He survived, free, in Irenicus' prison, making it alive past a variety of monsters with only modest hiding skills. 2) He keeps asking questions of my character. 3) His jokes are old. He must die.

04-03-2002, 09:58 PM	#6
chevalier mal fet Dungeon Master Join Date: January 25, 2002 Location: NC Posts: 74	Actually, paying enough attention to continuity to have a character whose under a spell in the storyline meet their end if thay fail at their task even though theyre not actively in your group is pretty darn good game design....shows the amount of thought that was put into all the myriad story elements in the game. Would it have been better if Yoshi had gone on living, even though you know he was supposed to die from the geas if he failed at his task? Its really hard to understand the use of the phrase "bad game design " , when reffering to a game like BG2. You should probably go out and buy Pools of Radiance 2 so you have a basis for comparison and can better put things in perspective. Chev

04-04-2002, 12:29 PM	#8
Beaumanoir Iron Throne Cult Join Date: June 3, 2001 Location: There is no IRL, Only AFK. Age: 36 Posts: 4,896	Yea But Some People Wont Know Why He Died!! __________________ My pokemon bring all the boys to the yard, and they're like; you wanna trade cards? Damn right, I wanna trade cards, I'll trade this but not my Charizard.

04-04-2002, 12:45 PM	#9
Suzaku Drow Warrior Join Date: December 11, 2001 Location: Canada, AB Age: 39 Posts: 264	First time through I think people would keep him in your party seeing as how he's the best thief in the game(IMHO), plus I thought he's cool(still do after beating the game). Ahh, redemption... __________________ <br />Irresponsibility: No single raindrop will believe that it is to blame for the resulting flood. -Anonymous <br />IW PT Sig-Artist

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