High-level sorc tactics

TaSSaDaR · 10-02-2002, 06:22 AM

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Recently I hit level 19. Having ToB, I gained access to real great power! Yeah, those HLAs!
Improved Alacrity and DragonBreath, along with the Wish, are really great! By the way, now I understand why Dundee calls DragonBreath/Comet 'Kangaxx The Demi-Lich'-Killers - tried to dragonbreath at the poor skull that was merely floating in the air excersizing with his low-level spells [img]smile.gif[/img] Ah, man, that was too cruel - it just burned to dust, leaving some junk on the ground

And all that in ch2 [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

So now I have some questions for you:

What are the most potent combos and tactics for a high-level sorcerer, taking ToB HLA's into account?
Which HLA's should I choose?
What are the powers of Wish spell, other than restoring spells? And what does the list of wishes depend on? Along with 'rest' I got 'leveldrain my party', 'poison everybody on the screen inc. my party' and other nasty stuff...

D_Slaytern] ToB Spoiler tags should be used when talking about ToB stuff in the SoA Forum.

[ 10-02-2002, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

LennonCook · 10-02-2002, 06:51 AM

Wish depends on Wisdom, as does limited wish.
Full list of effects can be found at www.planetbaldursgate.com

TaSSaDaR · 10-02-2002, 06:57 AM

Heh, I see that the Wish spell is not so potent after all

The only real cool choice is spell-restoration and maybe double Time-Stop with Imp. Alacrity.

[ 10-02-2002, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: TaSSaDaR ]

Ghostalker · 10-02-2002, 08:31 AM

How'd you reach Lv.19 on chapter 2 ? & btw. i heard you gain the slayer ability in exchange of the innaate ones when does that happen?

TaSSaDaR · 10-02-2002, 08:41 AM

I went solo - thus gaining all the XP from slain monsters/done quests myself only. Soloing, you level really fast!

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You'll get Slayer change ability in the Asylum in ch 4 (IIRC) But for me it was of no use

daan · 10-02-2002, 09:16 AM

Wish is the nr.1 spell for a sorcerer actually, since a sorcerer can use it's full potential. However, Im not worthy of wrinting down such powefull information . .and therefor i respectfully wait for Dundee .. who has so much more flair when he writes it all down [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img]

ok, so im just lazy,.. blame the search-function, not me .. I cant take the pressure of writing everything twice

daan · 10-02-2002, 09:32 AM

getting inspiration [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Project Image is the key ... a sorcerer can cast many, and still stay versatile .. which is why the tactic is best on sorcerers. They have the necessary spells involved as well as any other spell, A mage doesnt have that advantage and must select spells very specifically for this tactic to sort of work.

Anywayz ...

Just cast a project Image, and make the PI cast wish untill he gets the -rest- option ( optionally with Improved alacrity / potion of insight for ease of use)
PI and Wish are a sorcerer's happy-spells. since a PI can unleash an incredible force,.. and then another PI has the exact same spells as the former. Therefore a sorcerer has N x more power as much as he can cast PI's.
Two PI's ll probably deal with any enemy .. and then you'll stil be able to have a few PI's cast a whole lot of wish untill you're rested again

A somewhat cheesy tactic is to load a Chain Contingency with 3 PI's, and set the conditions to helpess and cast on self. Now, if you cast PI .. 3 more PI 'll join you .. effectively making 4 sorcerers of equal power out of one sorcerer. Now that's power

TaSSaDaR · 10-02-2002, 09:37 AM

Does 18 WIS guarantee that I will get 'rest' option most of the time? What is the optimal value for WIS to get that 'rest', say, 90% of the tries??

White Lancer · 10-02-2002, 10:29 AM

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Originally posted by TaSSaDaR:
Does 18 WIS guarantee that I will get 'rest' option most of the time? What is the optimal value for WIS to get that 'rest', say, 90% of the tries??

This is entirely based on hearsay (i dont have ToB and so cant try it myself) so take it with a grain of salt.
From what i gather from Dundee and others who have ToB, the options you get are completely random, your wisdom only affects whether you get all your spells wiped, or a few back. Please, feel free to correct me if im wrong, as i said, i dont KNOW, my input is based on things i have read in other posts.

daan · 10-02-2002, 11:05 AM

You'r wrong.

Your talking about Limited Wish,.. wisdom affects the choices you get with limited wish .. but the choices'll be more or less the same every time i think.
F.e. a mage with 5 wisdom would get the option to get all his spells wiped from his spellbook, where a mage with 18 wisdom would get the option to partially restore his spells.

Wish (lvl 9 ), creates options on a chance-based thing.
I believe a sorcerer with 18 wisdom, has a 12.5% chance of getting the -rest-option when casting wish ( not a whole lot)

10-02-2002, 06:22 AM	#1
TaSSaDaR Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 27, 2002 Location: Russia Age: 39 Posts: 734	ToB Spoilers ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Recently I hit level 19. Having ToB, I gained access to real great power! Yeah, those HLAs! Improved Alacrity and DragonBreath, along with the Wish, are really great! By the way, now I understand why Dundee calls DragonBreath/Comet 'Kangaxx The Demi-Lich'-Killers - tried to dragonbreath at the poor skull that was merely floating in the air excersizing with his low-level spells [img]smile.gif[/img] Ah, man, that was too cruel - it just burned to dust, leaving some junk on the ground And all that in ch2 [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] So now I have some questions for you: What are the most potent combos and tactics for a high-level sorcerer, taking ToB HLA's into account? Which HLA's should I choose? What are the powers of Wish spell, other than restoring spells? And what does the list of wishes depend on? Along with 'rest' I got 'leveldrain my party', 'poison everybody on the screen inc. my party' and other nasty stuff... D_Slaytern] ToB Spoiler tags should be used when talking about ToB stuff in the SoA Forum. [ 10-02-2002, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ] __________________ En taro Adun!<br />En taro, mighty Tassadar!

10-02-2002, 06:57 AM	#3
TaSSaDaR Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 27, 2002 Location: Russia Age: 39 Posts: 734	Heh, I see that the Wish spell is not so potent after all The only real cool choice is spell-restoration and maybe double Time-Stop with Imp. Alacrity. [ 10-02-2002, 06:58 AM: Message edited by: TaSSaDaR ] __________________ En taro Adun!<br />En taro, mighty Tassadar!

10-02-2002, 08:41 AM	#5
TaSSaDaR Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 27, 2002 Location: Russia Age: 39 Posts: 734	I went solo - thus gaining all the XP from slain monsters/done quests myself only. Soloing, you level really fast! Spoiler: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~~ ~ ~ ~ You'll get Slayer change ability in the Asylum in ch 4 (IIRC) But for me it was of no use __________________ En taro Adun!<br />En taro, mighty Tassadar!

10-02-2002, 09:16 AM	#6
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	Wish is the nr.1 spell for a sorcerer actually, since a sorcerer can use it's full potential. However, Im not worthy of wrinting down such powefull information . .and therefor i respectfully wait for Dundee .. who has so much more flair when he writes it all down [img]graemlins/angel.gif[/img] ok, so im just lazy,.. blame the search-function, not me .. I cant take the pressure of writing everything twice __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

10-02-2002, 09:32 AM	#7
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	getting inspiration [img]tongue.gif[/img] Project Image is the key ... a sorcerer can cast many, and still stay versatile .. which is why the tactic is best on sorcerers. They have the necessary spells involved as well as any other spell, A mage doesnt have that advantage and must select spells very specifically for this tactic to sort of work. Anywayz ... Just cast a project Image, and make the PI cast wish untill he gets the -rest- option ( optionally with Improved alacrity / potion of insight for ease of use) PI and Wish are a sorcerer's happy-spells. since a PI can unleash an incredible force,.. and then another PI has the exact same spells as the former. Therefore a sorcerer has N x more power as much as he can cast PI's. Two PI's ll probably deal with any enemy .. and then you'll stil be able to have a few PI's cast a whole lot of wish untill you're rested again A somewhat cheesy tactic is to load a Chain Contingency with 3 PI's, and set the conditions to helpess and cast on self. Now, if you cast PI .. 3 more PI 'll join you .. effectively making 4 sorcerers of equal power out of one sorcerer. Now that's power __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

10-02-2002, 06:51 AM	#2
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 38 Posts: 5,452	Wish depends on Wisdom, as does limited wish. Full list of effects can be found at www.planetbaldursgate.com

10-02-2002, 08:31 AM	#4
Ghostalker Dungeon Master Join Date: September 29, 2002 Location: India Age: 41 Posts: 88	How'd you reach Lv.19 on chapter 2 ? & btw. i heard you gain the slayer ability in exchange of the innaate ones when does that happen?

10-02-2002, 09:37 AM	#8
TaSSaDaR Baaz Draconian Join Date: August 27, 2002 Location: Russia Age: 39 Posts: 734	Does 18 WIS guarantee that I will get 'rest' option most of the time? What is the optimal value for WIS to get that 'rest', say, 90% of the tries?? __________________ En taro Adun!<br />En taro, mighty Tassadar!

10-02-2002, 11:05 AM	#10
daan Silver Dragon Join Date: August 25, 2001 Location: - Age: 40 Posts: 1,644	You'r wrong. Your talking about Limited Wish,.. wisdom affects the choices you get with limited wish .. but the choices'll be more or less the same every time i think. F.e. a mage with 5 wisdom would get the option to get all his spells wiped from his spellbook, where a mage with 18 wisdom would get the option to partially restore his spells. Wish (lvl 9 ), creates options on a chance-based thing. I believe a sorcerer with 18 wisdom, has a 12.5% chance of getting the -rest-option when casting wish ( not a whole lot) __________________ <strong> Odi et Amo. Quare id faciam facisse requires ? Nescio, sed fieri sentio et excrucior </strong><br /><br /><strong> Amantem cogit amare magis, sed bene velle minus </strong>

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