Universal Suffrage

Sir Degrader · 10-22-2005, 03:39 PM

Is it really a right? Why should it go into the hands of the masses? If something so important as voting goes to all persons, regardless of their intelligence, etc, how can we know that we've made the best choice at the time?

Stratos · 10-22-2005, 03:42 PM

Any good democratic system have some mecanisms that prevents mob rule.

[ 10-22-2005, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ]

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 10-22-2005, 05:43 PM

We don't know we made the right choices. That's the price we pay for democracy. Hell, I can't even COUNT the number of people I look at or listen to and think, "My God, they have as much say in the next election as I do." It's a scary thought, but that's how things are.

shamrock_uk · 10-22-2005, 06:19 PM

Good topic! The practical side of me says that everyone should not be equal in this regard, but there's a niggling voice at the back of my head reminding me that a lot of people did a lot of dying for the right to vote. Also it probably was the very people we might wish to exclude that did most of the dying...

Azred · 10-22-2005, 07:41 PM

Yes, it is most definitely a right. Every should suffer equally. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously, though...there are plenty of people I feel don't deserve the right to vote, but it isn't up to me. So there. If a mob wants their way, regardless of what that way might be, then I say let them have what they want--they'll get exactly what they deserve.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 10-22-2005, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Azred:
Yes, it is most definitely a right. Every should suffer equally. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously, though...there are plenty of people I feel don't deserve the right to vote, but it isn't up to me. So there. If a mob wants their way, regardless of what that way might be, then I say let them have what they want--they'll get exactly what they deserve.

But unfortunately, it means you and I get what the ignorant mob deserves.

Azred · 10-23-2005, 12:06 AM

Sometimes...but not always. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img]

Morgeruat · 10-24-2005, 08:59 AM

hmm, perhaps a mandatory test to prove a basic understanding of civics and how civil society functions before being allowed to vote?

Perhaps that's too close to the Poll tax and how it was used to discriminate against other ethnic groups in the US...

Sir Degrader · 10-24-2005, 07:36 PM

I was thinking mandatory IQ tests and high school (or equivalent) diploma.

Illumina Drathiran'ar · 10-24-2005, 09:06 PM

What if you don't test well? And, really, you can have a high IQ but absolutely NO COMMON SENSE.

10-22-2005, 03:42 PM	#2
Stratos Vampire Join Date: January 29, 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 3,888	Any good democratic system have some mecanisms that prevents mob rule. [ 10-22-2005, 03:42 PM: Message edited by: Stratos ] __________________ Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of probability.

10-22-2005, 05:43 PM	#3
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	We don't know we made the right choices. That's the price we pay for democracy. Hell, I can't even COUNT the number of people I look at or listen to and think, "My God, they have as much say in the next election as I do." It's a scary thought, but that's how things are. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

10-22-2005, 07:41 PM	#5
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 55 Posts: 4,037	Yes, it is most definitely a right. Every should suffer equally. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Seriously, though...there are plenty of people I feel don't deserve the right to vote, but it isn't up to me. So there. If a mob wants their way, regardless of what that way might be, then I say let them have what they want--they'll get exactly what they deserve. __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

10-23-2005, 12:06 AM	#7
Azred Drow Priestess Join Date: March 13, 2001 Location: a hidden sanctorum high above the metroplex Age: 55 Posts: 4,037	Sometimes...but not always. [img]graemlins/beigesmilewinkgrin.gif[/img] __________________ Everything may be explained by a conspiracy theory. All conspiracy theories are true. No matter how thinly you slice it, it's still bologna.

10-24-2005, 08:59 AM	#8
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 44 Posts: 5,421	hmm, perhaps a mandatory test to prove a basic understanding of civics and how civil society functions before being allowed to vote? Perhaps that's too close to the Poll tax and how it was used to discriminate against other ethnic groups in the US... __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

10-22-2005, 03:39 PM	#1
Sir Degrader Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Canada Age: 64 Posts: 2,871	Is it really a right? Why should it go into the hands of the masses? If something so important as voting goes to all persons, regardless of their intelligence, etc, how can we know that we've made the best choice at the time?

10-22-2005, 06:19 PM	#4
shamrock_uk Dracolich Join Date: January 24, 2004 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 3,092	Good topic! The practical side of me says that everyone should not be equal in this regard, but there's a niggling voice at the back of my head reminding me that a lot of people did a lot of dying for the right to vote. Also it probably was the very people we might wish to exclude that did most of the dying...

10-24-2005, 07:36 PM	#9
Sir Degrader Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: November 3, 2001 Location: Canada Age: 64 Posts: 2,871	I was thinking mandatory IQ tests and high school (or equivalent) diploma.

10-24-2005, 09:06 PM	#10
Illumina Drathiran'ar Apophis Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: I can see the Manhattan skyline from my window. Age: 39 Posts: 4,673	What if you don't test well? And, really, you can have a high IQ but absolutely NO COMMON SENSE. __________________ http://cavestory.org PLAY THIS GAME. Seriously. http://xkcd.com/386/ http://www.xkcd.com/406/ My heart is like my coffee. Black, bitter, icy, and with a straw.

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