Civilian casualties

[WillowIX]

Hi I´m not starting a topic about casualties per se. Instead I´m offering you a link to an independant website that reports the civilian casualties from all the different strikes. I thought some of you perhaps would be interested. Unfortunately the site does not list military casualties. Read the methodology if you are interested about how the facts are gathered. [img]smile.gif[/img]

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Ok I´ll let you boys get back to your debates.

[Rokenn]

Interesting site, but not really balanced. There is no mention of Iraqi army attacks on Iraqi civilians.

[Thoran]

The main page told me all I needed to know about that site.

[Ziroc]

Here is who owns that website......

registrant-firstname: Hamit
registrant-lastname: Dardagan
registrant-organization: Iraq Body Count
registrant-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
registrant-pcode: SW7 4AP
registrant-city: London
registrant-ccode: GB
registrant-phone: +44 207 9373191
registrant-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

[Donut]

Originally posted by Ziroc: Here is who owns that website...... registrant-firstname: Hamit registrant-lastname: Dardagan registrant-organization: Iraq Body Count registrant-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens registrant-pcode: SW7 4AP registrant-city: London registrant-ccode: GB registrant-phone: +44 207 9373191 registrant-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

I'm not sure why you posted his details Z. How would you feel if someone did that to you?

[Rokenn]

Originally posted by Ziroc: Here is who owns that website...... ..personal information deleted..

That was totally uncalled for Z

[Thoran]

Anyone could look up this information... I'm sure Hamit has gotten a LOT of email regarding the site, both for and against. I would be surprised if Hamit registered his Domain Name using his home addres... and if he did than someone should warn him to change it.

Here's what mine looks like: [img]smile.gif[/img]

Domain ID79225235-LROR
Domain Name:KUHNHOME.ORG
Created On:02-Nov-2001 01:22:47 UTC
Last Updated On:02-Nov-2002 11:36:51 UTC
Expiration Date:02-Nov-2003 01:22:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R21-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:21-C
Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Registrant City:N/A
Registrant Postal Code:N/A
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Email:not@available.org
Admin ID:21-C
Admin Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Admin City:N/A
Admin Postal Code:N/A
Admin Country:CA
Admin Email:not@available.org
Billing ID:21-C
Billing Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Billing City:N/A
Billing Postal Code:N/A
Billing Country:CA
Billing Email:not@available.org
Tech ID:21-C
Tech Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Tech City:N/A
Tech Postal Code:N/A
Tech Country:CA
Tech Email:not@available.org
Name Server:NS1.CHANGEIP.COM
Name Server:NS2.CHANGEIP.COM

lots of info there eh? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Here's iraqbodycount's :

domain: iraqbodycount.net
created: Feb 6 2003
last-changed: Feb 6 2003
registration-expiration: Feb 6 2004

nserver: ns21.schlund.de
nserver: ns22.schlund.de

registrant-firstname: Hamit
registrant-lastname: Dardagan
registrant-organization: Iraq Body Count
registrant-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
registrant-pcode: SW7 4AP
registrant-city: London
registrant-ccode: GB
registrant-phone: +44 207 9373191
registrant-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

admin-c-firstname: Hamit
admin-c-lastname: Dardagan
admin-c-organization: Iraq Body Count
admin-c-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
admin-c-pcode: SW7 4AP
admin-c-city: London
admin-c-ccode: GB
admin-c-phone: +44 207 9373191
admin-c-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

tech-c-firstname: Puretec
tech-c-lastname: Hostmaster
tech-c-organization: 1&1 Internet AG
tech-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
tech-c-pcode: 76133
tech-c-city: Karlsruhe
tech-c-ccode: DE
tech-c-phone: +49 1908 70700
tech-c-fax: +49 1805 001372
tech-c-email: hostmaster@puretec.de

zone-c-firstname: Puretec
zone-c-lastname: Hostmaster
zone-c-organization: 1&1 Internet AG
zone-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
zone-c-pcode: 76133
zone-c-city: Karlsruhe
zone-c-ccode: DE
zone-c-phone: +49 1908 70700
zone-c-fax: +49 1805 001372
zone-c-email: hostmaster@puretec.de

bill-c-firstname: Andreas
bill-c-lastname: Mueller
bill-c-organization: Schlund + Partner AG
bill-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
bill-c-pcode: 76133
bill-c-city: Karlsruhe
bill-c-ccode: DE
bill-c-phone: +49 721 91374 80
bill-c-fax: +49 721 91374 20
bill-c-email: billing@schlund.de

% See http://registrar.schlund.info for information about Schlund+Partner AG

Looks like he's hosted out of Denmark... and he's freely chosen to publish this address.

[Indemaijinj]

Apparantly the guy believes he actually has the freedom of speech where he live and therefore should not need to protect himself.

How naive.

[Larry_OHF]

Looks like he's hosted out of Denmark... and he's freely chosen to publish this address.

Thanks for helping out, Thoran.

I guess some people are a bit too jumpy these days,
and do not realize that the owner of a website can do as he sees fit.

[Donut]

Originally posted by Larry_OHF: Quote: Looks like he's hosted out of Denmark... and he's freely chosen to publish this address.

Thanks for helping out, Thoran.

I guess some people are a bit too jumpy these days,
and do not realize that the owner of a website can do as he sees fit. [/QUOTE]And others that are not jumpy enough and post before they think.