Hi I´m not starting a topic about casualties per se. ;) Instead I´m offering you a link to an independant website that reports the civilian casualties from all the different strikes. I thought some of you perhaps would be interested. Unfortunately the site does not list military casualties. Read the methodology if you are interested about how the facts are gathered. [img]smile.gif[/img]

http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

Ok I´ll let you boys get back to your debates. ;)

Interesting site, but not really balanced. There is no mention of Iraqi army attacks on Iraqi civilians.

The main page told me all I needed to know about that site.

Here is who owns that website......

registrant-firstname: Hamit
registrant-lastname: Dardagan
registrant-organization: Iraq Body Count
registrant-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
registrant-pcode: SW7 4AP
registrant-city: London
registrant-ccode: GB
registrant-phone: +44 207 9373191
registrant-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

I'm not sure why you posted his details Z. How would you feel if someone did that to you?

That was totally uncalled for Z

Anyone could look up this information... I'm sure Hamit has gotten a LOT of email regarding the site, both for and against. I would be surprised if Hamit registered his Domain Name using his home addres... and if he did than someone should warn him to change it.

Here's what mine looks like: [img]smile.gif[/img]

Domain ID:D79225235-LROR
Domain Name:KUHNHOME.ORG
Created On:02-Nov-2001 01:22:47 UTC
Last Updated On:02-Nov-2002 11:36:51 UTC
Expiration Date:02-Nov-2003 01:22:47 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R21-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:21-C
Registrant Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Registrant Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Registrant Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Registrant City:N/A
Registrant Postal Code:N/A
Registrant Country:CA
Registrant Email:not@available.org
Admin ID:21-C
Admin Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Admin Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Admin Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Admin City:N/A
Admin Postal Code:N/A
Admin Country:CA
Admin Email:not@available.org
Billing ID:21-C
Billing Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Billing Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Billing Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Billing City:N/A
Billing Postal Code:N/A
Billing Country:CA
Billing Email:not@available.org
Tech ID:21-C
Tech Name:CONTACT NOT AUTHORITATIVE
Tech Street1:Whois Server:whois.bulkregister.com
Tech Street2:Referral URL:www.bulkregister.com
Tech City:N/A
Tech Postal Code:N/A
Tech Country:CA
Tech Email:not@available.org
Name Server:NS1.CHANGEIP.COM
Name Server:NS2.CHANGEIP.COM

lots of info there eh? [img]smile.gif[/img]

Here's iraqbodycount's :

domain: iraqbodycount.net
created: Feb 6 2003
last-changed: Feb 6 2003
registration-expiration: Feb 6 2004

nserver: ns21.schlund.de
nserver: ns22.schlund.de

registrant-firstname: Hamit
registrant-lastname: Dardagan
registrant-organization: Iraq Body Count
registrant-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
registrant-pcode: SW7 4AP
registrant-city: London
registrant-ccode: GB
registrant-phone: +44 207 9373191
registrant-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

admin-c-firstname: Hamit
admin-c-lastname: Dardagan
admin-c-organization: Iraq Body Count
admin-c-street: 33 Cornwall Gardens
admin-c-pcode: SW7 4AP
admin-c-city: London
admin-c-ccode: GB
admin-c-phone: +44 207 9373191
admin-c-email: hamit@onetel.net.uk

tech-c-firstname: Puretec
tech-c-lastname: Hostmaster
tech-c-organization: 1&1 Internet AG
tech-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
tech-c-pcode: 76133
tech-c-city: Karlsruhe
tech-c-ccode: DE
tech-c-phone: +49 1908 70700
tech-c-fax: +49 1805 001372
tech-c-email: hostmaster@puretec.de

zone-c-firstname: Puretec
zone-c-lastname: Hostmaster
zone-c-organization: 1&1 Internet AG
zone-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
zone-c-pcode: 76133
zone-c-city: Karlsruhe
zone-c-ccode: DE
zone-c-phone: +49 1908 70700
zone-c-fax: +49 1805 001372
zone-c-email: hostmaster@puretec.de

bill-c-firstname: Andreas
bill-c-lastname: Mueller
bill-c-organization: Schlund + Partner AG
bill-c-street: Erbprinzenstr. 4-12
bill-c-pcode: 76133
bill-c-city: Karlsruhe
bill-c-ccode: DE
bill-c-phone: +49 721 91374 80
bill-c-fax: +49 721 91374 20
bill-c-email: billing@schlund.de

% See http://registrar.schlund.info for information about Schlund+Partner AG

Looks like he's hosted out of Denmark... and he's freely chosen to publish this address.

Apparantly the guy believes he actually has the freedom of speech where he live and therefore should not need to protect himself.

How naive.

<font color=skyblue>Thanks for helping out, Thoran.

I guess some people are a bit too jumpy these days,
and do not realize that the owner of a website can do as he sees fit. </font>

<font color=skyblue>Thanks for helping out, Thoran.

I guess some people are a bit too jumpy these days,
and do not realize that the owner of a website can do as he sees fit. </font></font>[/QUOTE]And others that are not jumpy enough and post before they think.