Palestine

[Skunk]

Few of us make a connection between the WTC and the 'Palestinian problem' - but many muslims do. They see the US as supporting a tyranical state (Israel) which in turn is illegally suppressing the Palestinians on racial/religious grounds.

The Israelis in turn hold the militant Palestinians as 'terrorists'. I personally don't agree with either viewpoint but I would like to kick this thread off with a quote which could have mutatis mutandis been written by any Palestinian 'terrorist'.

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"I do not, however deny that I planned sabotage. I did not plan it in a spirit of recklessness or because I have any love of violence. I planned it as a result of a calm and sober assessment of the political situation that has arisen after many years of tyranny, exploitation, and oppression of my people..."

--Nelson Mandella, --The Long Road to Freedom (autobiography)

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[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: Skunk ]

[Ryanamur]

The two are linked in a way. Yes, the US did support Israel (which really should have never been created) but the US also supported Saudi Arabia, Quatar and Kuwait... The problem is that the US, like any other nation on this planet, doesn't do what is right, but what is in their best interest.

American politicians will only support Israel as long as its a vote winner, and at the moment it is as it attracts a large support of the jewish vote and so they support it. But the day may soon come when israel's actions may become too extreme for even the USA to support. The problems is of course is that the isrealis have been allowed to develop nuclear weapons. People like Ariel Sharon(who has committed crimes against humanity) are just as fanatical and evil as osama bin laden, and nuclear weapons are a very dangerous thing for fanatics to have.

[ 11-22-2001: Message edited by: Dramnek_Ulk ]

[Ryanamur]

Good point Dramnek (about the voters... I'm not too worried about the nukes from Israel... though they could strike other Middle East countries with them, I'm doubtfull that they would be used against the US.

That's the advantage that Bin as: he can strike yet, we can't really justfully counter-attack on any nation as he's a wanderer. In the case of Israel, the target is easilly identifiable.

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Originally posted by Ryanamur:
Good point Dramnek (about the voters... I'm not too worried about the nukes from Israel... though they could strike other Middle East countries with them, I'm doubtfull that they would be used against the US.

That's the advantage that Bin as: he can strike yet, we can't really justfully counter-attack on any nation as he's a wanderer. In the case of Israel, the target is easilly identifiable.

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Israeli terrorists could quite easily put a nuke in a truck or something and detonate it in a city in the US or anywhere in the west if they wanted to, although its unlikely under present circumstances. But the fact that isreal has nuclear weapons would make it extremly difficult to dissolve it as a state, although hopefully one day this will attempted

[Skunk]

And the way forward? I don't think you can ever really dissolve Israel - not now. But Palestine could be made a UN protectorate, just like Kosovo. In turn, that would be dependant upon stopping those suicide bombings of cafes and taking pot shots throw the windows of Israeli homes...
Thoughts on this anyone?

[Zbyszek]

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Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:


Israeli terrorists could quite easily put a nuke in a truck or something and detonate it in a city in the US or anywhere in the west if they wanted to, although its unlikely under present circumstances. But the fact that isreal has nuclear weapons would make it extremly difficult to dissolve it as a state, although hopefully one day this will attempted

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OK, I deleted what I have writen before - sure it was as offensive from Arab point of view. In my opinion writing about dissolving someone's country is offensive in the same way.
What is the difference between country and nation? In Middle East there is no difference. Palestinian aim (said aloud by many leaders - real leaders, people who rule Arab hearts and minds) is to free Palestine from Israelis, in other words to kill them all. My opinion is that Israel has right to do the same.

[Ryanamur]

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Originally posted by Zbyszek:


He, he ... We all know that dissolving Israeli state is a common dream of all Arabs. "..."

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Zbyszek, you might be going a bit far in the "...". Maybe you should go back and edit your post to tune down your assertions!

Cheers!

[Silver Cheetah]

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Originally posted by Zbyszek:


OK, I deleted what I have writen before - sure it was as offensive from Arab point of view. In my opinion writing about dissolving someone's country is offensive in the same way.
What is the difference between country and nation? In Middle East there is no difference. Palestinian aim (said aloud by many leaders - real leaders, people who rule Arab hearts and minds) is to free Palestine from Israelis, in other words to kill them all. My opinion is that Israel has right to do the same.

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Why don't we all just sit back and eat ice-cream and have a McDonalds while they do that shit kicking thang. Oops, I'm behind the times... we already are. As you were, chaps and chapesses..... Relax, don't do it...... War, what is it good for.... and any other lines from Frankie that make it into those hamburger sodden little minds...

Nibbles are GO!!!!!

[Neb]

My point of view on the situation in Palestine at the moment:

The attacking palestinians are terrorists and the israelis are within their full rights to retaliate whenever they are attacked, I am NOT saying that the israelis are angels, they were the ones who started all this if I am not much mistaken, but I would also like to point out that according to everything I know the israelis got most of their land by BUYING it from the palestinians, who suddenly started wanting it back when the israelis had made it productive, I might be wrong, but this is what I've heard and my opinion is based on that.