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http://edition.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATIO...hearings.reut/
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Scientists with relevant expertise aren't really helping if ignorance is in fact the problem: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATIO....ap/index.html There's no need to bring religion into this, btw, because intelligent design advocates will claim it has scientific merit, and religion is a no-no in public schools anyway (and the forum lol). Creationism was banned from public school curriculums by the supreme court in 1987, and since intelligent design is essentially the same idea of another name, they're not advocating that it be taught, per se. Science is being attacked, and skepticism is well within its domain. There's no need to look outside; in fact, scientific skepticism as a mode of rational thought would be a boon to any science curriculum imo. Besides, they're fighting for small stakes. All classes should discuss how certain we are of various things, not just freshman biology classes about this one aspect. The sooner they learn that they're not learning facts so much as ideas that have certain evidence, the better they'll be equipped in the world. *And simultaneously elsewhere, Alfred Russel Wallace |
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I'm so sick of hearing about this.
I want people like this to go the hell away. [ 05-10-2005, 03:30 AM: Message edited by: Illumina Drathiran'ar ]
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Agreed. I say teach 'em intelligent design and watch them all fail science. Serves them right. That theory is more full of holes than a rather large swiss cheese.
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After reading alot of the Evolution/Creationism debate on the net, I'm baffled by the amount of misconceptions that's even possible to have about a simple scientific theory.
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Cheerleaders gustapo-ed in Texas, new Scopes trials in Kansas -- enjoying life in the red states, folks? In one of the blue states, gays just got the right to marry, and another two are deciding whether or not to just dole out driver's licenses to all the wetbacks. In the blue, we're all just Free! Free! Free! So, if you get tired of life under the bible belt tyranny, march your jack boots on over and check out what socialist utopia is like. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
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I noticed when reading some of those debates that the same misunderstandings are repeated over and over by the anti-evolution crowd, like this: Quote:
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What's doubly stupid about using the intelligent design theory for their crazy religious-science is that it can more easily be used to justify many gods than the single god that they want. Quote:
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Why can't they just show both sides of the arguement and let people make up thier own minds? In the UK, in state schools, we are taught about many religions , their points of veiw, and of the scientific theories on the workings of the world. Since when was school about brain-washing people into beleiving X over Y cause the received widom is that X is right and Y is wrong? Give people the whole picture and let them decide what they beleive is right or wrong.
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The real problem with ID in science is that it's unfalsifiable, doesn't offer any new information a scientist have any use of in his line of work and doesn't answer any scientifically interresting questions.
It's a personal belief that most scientists wisely don't add to their theories and models.
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Exactly Stratos.
That means that ID isn't science. Evolution encompasses the whole of this scientific debate. The debate touches on things like what role mutations, crossing over during meiosis, and the 'jumping genes' have in evolution, distorting the original pure natural selection explanation now that such information is available. There's a silly description that I read regarding what 'including both sides' would entail. After explaining roughly all 6,000 recorded creation myths (read not as a fictional story, but a literal or figurative truth to a people), point out that none of them have a scientific basis, nor can they be the subject of falsifiable research. THEN continue with the science. However, it might be a useful thing to concisely explain the opposition to evolution from that first day in 1859 just to put it all into perspective. Science doesn't develop in a vacuum. There was (and continues to be) almost as much resistance to Darwin's idea as there was to the idea of a heliocentric solar system. It would also be a useful thing to explain that a complete understanding and belief in evolution only conflicts with a fundamentalist reading of a creation text of a given religion. It does conflict, and that's up to the individual to resolve. Reading Daniel C. Dennet's Darwin's Dangerous Idea and watching the old black and white film about the Scopes trial would be plenty to understand the context and impact of evolution. I would consider doing justice to the idea that fundamentally changed the framework of all modern biology to be part of a good science education, and that's not always done in US public schools where the political/social environment makes it simply not worth the trouble for teachers. Only one side of this debate will help future scientists through demanding college science courses. Besides, since when is high school not about brain-washing and manipulation? ![]() |
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