Kotor2 -- spoilers. Am not impressed...

Calaethis Dragonsbane · 06-29-2005, 03:44 AM

I played this and completed it while I was here in the US, around Lady Blue's place - on her xbox, and honestly, I'm not happy. I know that people had warned me about a lot of stuff being cut out, but even though I was warned, I didn't expect it to be *quite* so unfinished.

My main grievance is about the end boss... yeah, her. And the other two sith lords. It doesn't seem to matter what alignment you "play" after you get your prestige(sp) class... and it doesn't seem to matter if you try to turn them or not. It doesn't seem possible to save any of them! Why not? Okay, granted, you can't save everyone, but... what was the POINT of all that influence if you can't?

Speaking of influence... what is the point of it to begin with? My only use for it was to get the others to open up and tell their backstory, and turn Handmaiden into my Jedi Apprentice.. but the options it opened up really were no good. And why were they always there? Shouldn't they have faded after you talk to them? Having the same old conversations grows old.

The other thing that got me in a major way was HK. By the time you get enough parts to repair him, none of the robots show up and his main "quest" just isn't there.

It also annoyed me that if you gathered the Jedi council and choose the option "I've come to kill you all" there's no way you can - its always *her*. The only way to kill them is to "go darkside" and assassinate them all one by one.

Speaking of Jedi... why does the game kick up *such* a fuss about building a lightsaber, but by the time you get one... its really far into the game - and soon after, lightsabers just come flooding in. Its really irritating. For the first part of the game, you don't get one when you need it, and for the second, you still don't get enough to arm your companions - and then they all come flooding in. It's absurd. And why were most of the lightsabers in the game purple? Maybe its because I told Atton that's what my lightsaber colour was - and why oh why, wouldn't Atris give it back to me? I want my original lightsaber to have with my new one! So annoying. Heh, its a pity you couldn't choose "red" for your original lightsaber colour.

But yeah, all in all, I'm not impressed with Kotor 2. It may not have been smaller then Kotor 1, but it felt it. In many, many ways. It could have been so much more... sigh. It's a pity that all the planets you visit *must* be part of the main quest. It would have been nice to have a few without the main quest. Ah well. My only real question is, is it worth buying for the PC when I get back home, given that restoration patch that's out?

All in all, I'd give it a 6 out of 10. The new lightsaber forms and force powers (barring force crush) weren't that great...

So, what did everyone else think?

Edit: I won't even go into that BS about Raven... or why the game won't let you kill Carth Onasi or Bastlia, not that I would, but... it'd be nice to have the option. That's something else that got me - you can enter your name as "Raven", or "Malak" or any other, in both games... they shouldn't have allowed that, imo.
And the ending movies (both light and dark) weren't that great either.

Edit 2: It's cute how you find yourself with a swoop racer and no explanation of how you can swoop, let alone how it got there... maybe your predecessor left it behind just like she said he left all his machines behind...

[ 06-29-2005, 03:55 AM: Message edited by: Calaethis Dragonsbane ]

Stratos · 06-29-2005, 09:06 AM

You mean Revan, right?

You can change the colour of your lightsaber by switching crystals.

That aside, I agree with you completely. I also want to mention how crappy the ending location was. There was nothing, I mean NOTHING, there except enemies. Just empty rooms with a few Sith assassins and Dark Jedis.

pritchke · 06-29-2005, 09:48 AM

One word as to why you are disappointed.

Bioware

What did they have to do with it you say? That is my point.

Thoran · 06-29-2005, 10:04 AM

It was really sad, because they made enough improvements to the engine to set it apart from KOTOR, and up until the endgame the storyline is very good... but then they just drop the ball, badly.

Link · 06-30-2005, 11:18 AM

I thought the word was Lucasarts?

Timber Loftis · 06-30-2005, 02:25 PM

No, the word is Obsidian, which developed the game. Had BioWare been involved, it may have been better.

the mighty stamar · 07-01-2005, 04:15 AM

The first one is a lot better but i liked the 2nd one also.

It has its moments. I really liked the opening in the mining colony that whole part was great u might have forgotten it as ur looking at it from the end.

[ 07-01-2005, 04:16 AM: Message edited by: the mighty stamar ]

Marty4 · 07-01-2005, 09:18 AM

The game itself whooped some serious butt, but I agree that the missing components were extremely disapointing. The game had some great moments though. I think my favorite part was when I was playing lightside, and I was defending the royalists on Onderon. "Sir! Half of our forces are pinned down by the entire royalist army on the east, and the rest are being pwned by a single jedi on the west!"

But I agree, many parts of the game simply did not work. #1 was better.

Stratos · 07-03-2005, 06:36 PM

Didn't LucasArt press Obsidion to release the game in time for Christmas?

Dalamar Stormcrow · 07-03-2005, 09:49 PM

So I've heard.

06-29-2005, 09:06 AM	#2
Stratos Vampire Join Date: January 29, 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 44 Posts: 3,888	You mean Revan, right? You can change the colour of your lightsaber by switching crystals. That aside, I agree with you completely. I also want to mention how crappy the ending location was. There was nothing, I mean NOTHING, there except enemies. Just empty rooms with a few Sith assassins and Dark Jedis. __________________ Nothing is impossible, it's just a matter of probability.

06-30-2005, 11:18 AM	#5
Link Jack Burton Join Date: May 15, 2001 Location: The Netherlands Age: 40 Posts: 5,888	I thought the word was Lucasarts? __________________ Rowing is not a sport, it's a way of life Goal: Beijing 2008

06-30-2005, 02:25 PM	#6
Timber Loftis 40th Level Warrior Join Date: July 11, 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 11,916	No, the word is Obsidian, which developed the game. Had BioWare been involved, it may have been better. __________________

07-03-2005, 06:36 PM	#9
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06-29-2005, 03:44 AM	#1
Calaethis Dragonsbane Legion Symbol Join Date: May 29, 2002 Location: Somewhere in between Age: 40 Posts: 7,029	I played this and completed it while I was here in the US, around Lady Blue's place - on her xbox, and honestly, I'm not happy. I know that people had warned me about a lot of stuff being cut out, but even though I was warned, I didn't expect it to be quite so unfinished. My main grievance is about the end boss... yeah, her. And the other two sith lords. It doesn't seem to matter what alignment you "play" after you get your prestige(sp) class... and it doesn't seem to matter if you try to turn them or not. It doesn't seem possible to save any of them! Why not? Okay, granted, you can't save everyone, but... what was the POINT of all that influence if you can't? Speaking of influence... what is the point of it to begin with? My only use for it was to get the others to open up and tell their backstory, and turn Handmaiden into my Jedi Apprentice.. but the options it opened up really were no good. And why were they always there? Shouldn't they have faded after you talk to them? Having the same old conversations grows old. The other thing that got me in a major way was HK. By the time you get enough parts to repair him, none of the robots show up and his main "quest" just isn't there. It also annoyed me that if you gathered the Jedi council and choose the option "I've come to kill you all" there's no way you can - its always her. The only way to kill them is to "go darkside" and assassinate them all one by one. Speaking of Jedi... why does the game kick up such a fuss about building a lightsaber, but by the time you get one... its really far into the game - and soon after, lightsabers just come flooding in. Its really irritating. For the first part of the game, you don't get one when you need it, and for the second, you still don't get enough to arm your companions - and then they all come flooding in. It's absurd. And why were most of the lightsabers in the game purple? Maybe its because I told Atton that's what my lightsaber colour was - and why oh why, wouldn't Atris give it back to me? I want my original lightsaber to have with my new one! So annoying. Heh, its a pity you couldn't choose "red" for your original lightsaber colour. But yeah, all in all, I'm not impressed with Kotor 2. It may not have been smaller then Kotor 1, but it felt it. In many, many ways. It could have been so much more... sigh. It's a pity that all the planets you visit must be part of the main quest. It would have been nice to have a few without the main quest. Ah well. My only real question is, is it worth buying for the PC when I get back home, given that restoration patch that's out? All in all, I'd give it a 6 out of 10. The new lightsaber forms and force powers (barring force crush) weren't that great... So, what did everyone else think? Edit: I won't even go into that BS about Raven... or why the game won't let you kill Carth Onasi or Bastlia, not that I would, but... it'd be nice to have the option. That's something else that got me - you can enter your name as "Raven", or "Malak" or any other, in both games... they shouldn't have allowed that, imo. And the ending movies (both light and dark) weren't that great either. Edit 2: It's cute how you find yourself with a swoop racer and no explanation of how you can swoop, let alone how it got there... maybe your predecessor left it behind just like she said he left all his machines behind... [ 06-29-2005, 03:55 AM: Message edited by: Calaethis Dragonsbane ] __________________ Skydracgrrl: Cruelty, thy name is Cal! --- There are none so blind as those who refuse to see, none so deaf as those who refuse to hear, and none so smelly as those who refuse to bathe.

06-29-2005, 09:48 AM	#3
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 50 Posts: 3,491	One word as to why you are disappointed. Bioware What did they have to do with it you say? That is my point.

06-29-2005, 10:04 AM	#4
Thoran Galvatron Join Date: January 10, 2002 Location: Upstate NY Age: 57 Posts: 2,109	It was really sad, because they made enough improvements to the engine to set it apart from KOTOR, and up until the endgame the storyline is very good... but then they just drop the ball, badly.

07-01-2005, 04:15 AM	#7
the mighty stamar Avatar Join Date: February 12, 2003 Location: hades Age: 55 Posts: 583	The first one is a lot better but i liked the 2nd one also. It has its moments. I really liked the opening in the mining colony that whole part was great u might have forgotten it as ur looking at it from the end. [ 07-01-2005, 04:16 AM: Message edited by: the mighty stamar ]

07-01-2005, 09:18 AM	#8
Marty4 Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 31, 2004 Location: VA Age: 34 Posts: 1,127	The game itself whooped some serious butt, but I agree that the missing components were extremely disapointing. The game had some great moments though. I think my favorite part was when I was playing lightside, and I was defending the royalists on Onderon. "Sir! Half of our forces are pinned down by the entire royalist army on the east, and the rest are being pwned by a single jedi on the west!" But I agree, many parts of the game simply did not work. #1 was better.

07-03-2005, 09:49 PM	#10
Dalamar Stormcrow Banned User Join Date: November 1, 2003 Location: My own little world Age: 34 Posts: 828	So I've heard.

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