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Old 04-05-2001, 03:53 PM   #1
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How valuable is the Move Silently thief skill? I usually put a lot of points into Hide In Shadows until it is well over 100%. Sometimes my thief becomes visable anyway. Is this because my Move Silently skill is down at 20%?

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Old 04-05-2001, 03:54 PM   #2
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Move silently will keep you in shadows when you walk or just stand there. Put this skill equal to hide in shadow.
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Old 04-05-2001, 04:06 PM   #3
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Yes, you don't want the enemy to hear you come now do you?

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Old 04-05-2001, 04:25 PM   #4
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I have always been wondering about how this is being implemented myself since I learnt that the former "stealth" ability had been split into "Move Silently" and "Hide in Shadows". If you two, Gimlee & El_Kalkylus, are right, the "Move Silently" ability all by itself would be completely worthless as you always first needed "Hide in Shadows" to become "invisible" before you needed and could use "Move Silently" to stay "invisible while moving. And that in turn would spark the question: "why the split-up ?" if one ability cannot be used independently from the other. Okay "Hide in Shadows" itself can still be used - in a very restricted way - without "Move Silently" - to become "invisible" and stand still on the spot.

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Old 04-05-2001, 05:14 PM   #5
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That's a very good question, and sadly I have no answer to it.

But if you only had one ability, stealth, then how long would you stay in shadows? Would the hide in shadows and move silently be equally divided. If that was the case, then you wouldn't have the liberty of concentrating your skill in hide in shadows and skip move silently for a while until you feel ready of putting your points there.

I don't know, maybe it's something like this because there are so many thief-skills to choose from, and hide in shadow is one of the most important one.



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Old 04-05-2001, 05:17 PM   #6
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Also, when you are in shadows, your thaco is reduced by 4 or something like that.
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Old 04-05-2001, 05:22 PM   #7
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I posed similar questions regarding thieves not so very long back. Move Silently, Climb Walls and Read languages are all in the thief abilities in the manual but no real explanation of their purpose is given. Move Silently in particular gave cause for concern. Remembering that you only get 25 points to distribute upon lev' up, if you need to assign to move silently and hide in shadows equally then this cuts your options down a fair bit when assigning points to other thieving skills.

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Old 04-05-2001, 05:24 PM   #8
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Yes charlie, my point exactly.

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Old 04-05-2001, 05:25 PM   #9
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Originally posted by Gimlee:
Also, when you are in shadows, your thaco is reduced by 4 or something like that.

Yes, I think it is, this makes it a very good ability.


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Old 04-05-2001, 05:34 PM   #10
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Originally posted by Gimlee:
Also, when you are in shadows, your thaco is reduced by 4 or something like that.

Gimlee, that thac0 bonus, I believe, applies generally when your thief is backstabbing, regardless if from "hide in shadows" or from being invisible due to magic.

El_kalkylus - I have a strong suspicion that the only real purpose of the split-up was to give high-level thieves enough abilities to assign their points to.

Charlie, see above and nice to see you. Still on DSotSC ? I have not made it far enough in my new game of BG I yet, beginning of chapter 3, to notice any differences to a regular game.

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