specialist mage and roll?

robohobodude · 01-15-2002, 11:05 PM

best specialist mage and what do you reccomend a good roll for an invoker?

Mourn Yauntyyr · 01-16-2002, 02:33 AM

Tough question man. The invoker is great, but then they can't cast summoning or enchantment spells. Abjurer might be the best, because their only opposition schools are alteration and illusion. I never play specialists though, because the best thing about a mage is the wide variety of spells they can cast. Take even a few away, and they aren't as useful. The trade off for more spells of one school just ain't worth it, IMHO.

Nifft the Nimble · 01-16-2002, 11:53 AM

In BG2, fortunately, the rules have been changed a bit. Specialist mages only have one opposition school! So your Invoker can cast anything but Enchantments. Enchantments are cool (the best ones being Greater Malison, Chaos and Emotion) but if you have a back-up mage you'll be fine. (They're all low-level spells, so even a Bard is a good enough back-up mage.)

I tried an Invoker and it was my favorite of the non-Sorcerer magi. I just love those violent attack spells!

-- Nifft

norompanlasolas · 01-16-2002, 12:28 PM

best specialist mage? a nobrainer... the powerful and almighty necromancer. [img]smile.gif[/img]

J'aran · 01-16-2002, 12:59 PM

My favorite specialist is a Conjurer. His opposition school is Divination, and most Divination-spells are IMO either useless (Identify, Infravision, etc.) or can be cast by Clerics and Druids as well (True Sight). So this doesn't give you a great loss of spells.

If you have ToB however, I would recommend a Wild Mage.

As for a good roll, I take it you mean ability scores. Personally, for any Mage of Sorcerer I try to get 18 on INT and DEX at least. CON above 16 is not necessary, reasonably high WIS is handy for the bonus to lore, and STR and CHA are not really needed.

Lifetime · 01-16-2002, 01:13 PM

Has anyone ever tried using the first roll you ever got for a character? I think it would be cool if you decided to be an Invoker or something and then used the first roll you got, just for a challege. Then you'd have to tailor your spells and equipment to cover up your weaknesses..

J'aran · 01-16-2002, 01:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Lifetime:
Has anyone ever tried using the first roll you ever got for a character? I think it would be cool if you decided to be an Invoker or something and then used the first roll you got, just for a challege. Then you'd have to tailor your spells and equipment to cover up your weaknesses..

I did that once, for a Mage in BG1, but that was with a 90-point-total roll. I ended up with STR 14, DEX 18, CON 16, INT 18, WIS 15, CHA 9. If you use the average roll for that, you're indeed in for a challenge.

F. Gottwald · 01-17-2002, 01:46 AM

i competed soa with a halfling swashbuckler with my first roll and with a kensai with the stats edited to 9/3/3/3/3/3... it makes the beginning more difficult but later in the game you hardly notice a difference.

Lord Ludtke · 01-17-2002, 11:25 AM

quote:
Originally posted by norompanlasolas:
best specialist mage? a nobrainer... the powerful and almighty necromancer. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Then your opposition school is illusion, meaning you will miss out on the more powerful and almightyest Project Image.

Do yourself a favour and stay away from these 2 schools, cause imho they are the 2 best.

01-15-2002, 11:05 PM	#1
robohobodude The Magister Join Date: January 8, 2002 Location: b.c. Posts: 114	best specialist mage and what do you reccomend a good roll for an invoker? __________________ robohobo

01-16-2002, 02:33 AM	#2
Mourn Yauntyyr The Magister Join Date: December 1, 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 127	Tough question man. The invoker is great, but then they can't cast summoning or enchantment spells. Abjurer might be the best, because their only opposition schools are alteration and illusion. I never play specialists though, because the best thing about a mage is the wide variety of spells they can cast. Take even a few away, and they aren't as useful. The trade off for more spells of one school just ain't worth it, IMHO. __________________ Mourn Yauntyyr<br />HDM, Tzach Neveril<br />An all-Drow NwN server<br />[url]\"http://www.tzachneveril.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.tzachneveril.com</a>

01-16-2002, 12:28 PM	#4
norompanlasolas Avatar Join Date: November 13, 2001 Location: madrid, spain... made in argentina Age: 48 Posts: 569	best specialist mage? a nobrainer... the powerful and almighty necromancer. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ no

01-16-2002, 01:13 PM	#6
Lifetime Red Dragon Join Date: March 3, 2001 Location: Scotch College, Melbourne Posts: 1,503	Has anyone ever tried using the first roll you ever got for a character? I think it would be cool if you decided to be an Invoker or something and then used the first roll you got, just for a challege. Then you'd have to tailor your spells and equipment to cover up your weaknesses.. __________________ \'Cause its always raining in my head. Forget all the things I should have said..

01-16-2002, 01:25 PM	#7
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 1,493	quote: Originally posted by Lifetime: Has anyone ever tried using the first roll you ever got for a character? I think it would be cool if you decided to be an Invoker or something and then used the first roll you got, just for a challege. Then you'd have to tailor your spells and equipment to cover up your weaknesses.. I did that once, for a Mage in BG1, but that was with a 90-point-total roll. I ended up with STR 14, DEX 18, CON 16, INT 18, WIS 15, CHA 9. If you use the average roll for that, you're indeed in for a challenge.

01-16-2002, 11:53 AM	#3
Nifft the Nimble Avatar Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: NYC Forever! Age: 51 Posts: 520	In BG2, fortunately, the rules have been changed a bit. Specialist mages only have one opposition school! So your Invoker can cast anything but Enchantments. Enchantments are cool (the best ones being Greater Malison, Chaos and Emotion) but if you have a back-up mage you'll be fine. (They're all low-level spells, so even a Bard is a good enough back-up mage.) I tried an Invoker and it was my favorite of the non-Sorcerer magi. I just love those violent attack spells! -- Nifft

01-16-2002, 12:59 PM	#5
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 46 Posts: 1,493	My favorite specialist is a Conjurer. His opposition school is Divination, and most Divination-spells are IMO either useless (Identify, Infravision, etc.) or can be cast by Clerics and Druids as well (True Sight). So this doesn't give you a great loss of spells. If you have ToB however, I would recommend a Wild Mage. As for a good roll, I take it you mean ability scores. Personally, for any Mage of Sorcerer I try to get 18 on INT and DEX at least. CON above 16 is not necessary, reasonably high WIS is handy for the bonus to lore, and STR and CHA are not really needed.

01-17-2002, 01:46 AM	#8
F. Gottwald Manshoon Join Date: January 9, 2002 Location: Göttingen, Germany Posts: 153	i competed soa with a halfling swashbuckler with my first roll and with a kensai with the stats edited to 9/3/3/3/3/3... it makes the beginning more difficult but later in the game you hardly notice a difference. __________________ The objective of persecution is persecution. The objective of torture is torture. The objective of power is power.

01-17-2002, 11:25 AM	#9
Lord Ludtke Zhentarim Guard Join Date: November 21, 2001 Location: canada Posts: 319	quote: Originally posted by norompanlasolas: best specialist mage? a nobrainer... the powerful and almighty necromancer. [img]smile.gif[/img] Then your opposition school is illusion, meaning you will miss out on the more powerful and almightyest Project Image. Do yourself a favour and stay away from these 2 schools, cause imho they are the 2 best. __________________ Do not pray for an easy life.<br />Pray for the strength to endure <br />a tough one.<p>:warrior1:

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