A certain race...

The Lilarcor · 11-07-2002, 11:19 PM

I am currently making a Mage or Sorcerer character, the problem is the race. So my question is, does 3 Ed of D&D or AD&D have any information on Half Dwarves half Gnomes? If there is some data, please share because I am completely stuck.

chrisofthedale · 11-08-2002, 12:35 AM

no, there isnt any info on them, i have the rule books, try just using the races bonuses such as +2 to search etc., but i wouldnt recommend using stat additions and minuses, hope i helped!

edit: actually if you email me, i will make up race stuff for you, its not official but eh, it gives your character, um.. character

[ 11-08-2002, 01:30 AM: Message edited by: chrisofthedale ]

The Lilarcor · 11-08-2002, 09:32 AM

Alright I will, sometime at 5 pm EST as I am currently in school.

Darkman · 11-08-2002, 01:58 PM

I don't think there are any official rules for half-dwarves or half-gnomes, but there are rules for half-elves and I would try to use them as an example to see what types of racial traits should be kept. I agree with Chrisofthedale, you should not give half-dwarves or half-gnomes any racial attribute bonuses, and your character should get roughly half values for the dwarf/gnome skill bonuses (eg. +1 saving throw against poison instead of +2, and partial dark vision/infravision instead of full). Also, your character probably shouldn't get the human's Quick To Master feat when starting out since it is a human-only feat because humans have such short life spans. And a half-dwarf or half-gnome should follow the human or half-elf rules for favored classes where their highest class is always the favored.

Anyway, just use the Player's Handbook as a referrence and adjust the racial traits as described above, and if this character is for table-top play, make sure you make up a suitable back story for how this odd racial combination occurred [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 11-08-2002, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Darkman ]

The Lilarcor · 11-08-2002, 05:32 PM

Yes, I am thinking a charm spell gone wrong or something similar, and the dwarf and gnome that are affected by it, the spell grows into true love.

Darkman · 11-09-2002, 04:07 AM

Oh wow! I thought you meant half-dwarf/half-human or half-gnome/half-human for some reason. Now dwarf/gnome, that's a helluva combo! Interesting to say the least. Same principles should apply with the character creation. Just take the traits of both dwarves and gnomes and water them down a little bit so as to not be too powerful. Good luck!

The Lilarcor · 11-09-2002, 05:09 PM

Yes. I just wish I had less school stuff to do and parents not thinking its evil. Which it is in some degree if you look at the monsters from the psyionics handbook... but they don't need to know about that.

chrisofthedale · 11-09-2002, 09:00 PM

its not evil, im very religious and my parents dont care...

Darkman · 11-11-2002, 04:56 AM

Hehe... here's a humorous little "Christian" cartoon strip about why D&D is evil:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp

11-07-2002, 11:19 PM	#1
The Lilarcor Elminster Join Date: October 24, 2002 Location: Traveling to wrestle a dangerous Ent Age: 39 Posts: 405	I am currently making a Mage or Sorcerer character, the problem is the race. So my question is, does 3 Ed of D&D or AD&D have any information on Half Dwarves half Gnomes? If there is some data, please share because I am completely stuck. __________________ ...Since when do you care about me unless I\'m impaled in somethings guts?!

11-08-2002, 09:32 AM	#3
The Lilarcor Elminster Join Date: October 24, 2002 Location: Traveling to wrestle a dangerous Ent Age: 39 Posts: 405	Alright I will, sometime at 5 pm EST as I am currently in school. __________________ ...Since when do you care about me unless I\'m impaled in somethings guts?!

11-08-2002, 01:58 PM	#4
Darkman Avatar Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 525	I don't think there are any official rules for half-dwarves or half-gnomes, but there are rules for half-elves and I would try to use them as an example to see what types of racial traits should be kept. I agree with Chrisofthedale, you should not give half-dwarves or half-gnomes any racial attribute bonuses, and your character should get roughly half values for the dwarf/gnome skill bonuses (eg. +1 saving throw against poison instead of +2, and partial dark vision/infravision instead of full). Also, your character probably shouldn't get the human's Quick To Master feat when starting out since it is a human-only feat because humans have such short life spans. And a half-dwarf or half-gnome should follow the human or half-elf rules for favored classes where their highest class is always the favored. Anyway, just use the Player's Handbook as a referrence and adjust the racial traits as described above, and if this character is for table-top play, make sure you make up a suitable back story for how this odd racial combination occurred [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 11-08-2002, 02:03 PM: Message edited by: Darkman ] __________________ There more of it there is,<br />The less you see.

11-08-2002, 05:32 PM	#5
The Lilarcor Elminster Join Date: October 24, 2002 Location: Traveling to wrestle a dangerous Ent Age: 39 Posts: 405	Yes, I am thinking a charm spell gone wrong or something similar, and the dwarf and gnome that are affected by it, the spell grows into true love. __________________ ...Since when do you care about me unless I\'m impaled in somethings guts?!

11-09-2002, 04:07 AM	#6
Darkman Avatar Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 525	Oh wow! I thought you meant half-dwarf/half-human or half-gnome/half-human for some reason. Now dwarf/gnome, that's a helluva combo! Interesting to say the least. Same principles should apply with the character creation. Just take the traits of both dwarves and gnomes and water them down a little bit so as to not be too powerful. Good luck! __________________ There more of it there is,<br />The less you see.

11-08-2002, 12:35 AM	#2
chrisofthedale Account Removed by Request Join Date: September 9, 2002 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 534	no, there isnt any info on them, i have the rule books, try just using the races bonuses such as +2 to search etc., but i wouldnt recommend using stat additions and minuses, hope i helped! edit: actually if you email me, i will make up race stuff for you, its not official but eh, it gives your character, um.. character [ 11-08-2002, 01:30 AM: Message edited by: chrisofthedale ]

11-09-2002, 05:09 PM	#7
The Lilarcor Elminster Join Date: October 24, 2002 Location: Traveling to wrestle a dangerous Ent Age: 39 Posts: 405	Yes. I just wish I had less school stuff to do and parents not thinking its evil. Which it is in some degree if you look at the monsters from the psyionics handbook... but they don't need to know about that. __________________ ...Since when do you care about me unless I\'m impaled in somethings guts?!

11-09-2002, 09:00 PM	#8
chrisofthedale Account Removed by Request Join Date: September 9, 2002 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 534	its not evil, im very religious and my parents dont care...

11-11-2002, 04:56 AM	#9
Darkman Avatar Join Date: July 11, 2001 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 525	Hehe... here's a humorous little "Christian" cartoon strip about why D&D is evil: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01.asp __________________ There more of it there is,<br />The less you see.

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