WoT: Aiel or Warders?

[Lifetime]

Here's a question for all Wheel of Time readers..
Robert Jordan just loves to flesh out all these extreme, unbeatable, one-man-army warriors..
So in your opinions,

Who wins in a straight up 1 v 1 fight?
Warders(with Aes Sedai bonds of course) or the Hard n' Tough Aielmen(with ample water)?
Or anyone/thing/person?

Rand the Blademaster? The Seanchan? The Forsaken?

I've been trying to rack up a list in order of combat prowess(usage of the source not counted, so its just martial skills).
Since there are so many characters that seem to be pretty much unbeatable in combat, I'm wondering who comes in order, who beats out who in a straight out fight, that sort of thing..
It can get confusing. Here's an example.. Mat with a Quarterstaff beats Galad in a straight fight, with Galad being one of the best Warders/Swordsmen. Then comes the Borderlanders, who are supposed to be hardened warriors, one of the toughest in the land, who supposedly cant beat Galad even with the advantage of numbers..And then there's the Warders and the Aiel, both described as "the ultimate warriors" in shorterned terms. Well they cant ALL be the best! There can be only one!
Opinions please!

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[Hiram Sedai]

My vote would be for a warder. They have good recuperative powers due to their link with thier aes sedai. Many are very well versed in combat too. I just think that the Ael are weinies. hehe

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[MILAMBER]

It's no contest!!! Warders would spank the Aiel. Especially Lan. The Aiel are about twice as skilled as regular cavalry so the story says, but a warder can take on 5-6 enemies with no probs.

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[DragonMage]

Another vote for Warders here!

Lan is my hero! *swoon*

Seriously, Warders have the upper hand against the Aeil.

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[Prime2U]

Hmmm... too much generalization going on heh. Most of the Warders aren't nearly as good as Galad. And there are several Aiel that are far better than the rest as well. I think there are a few Aiel that could beat all but a handful of the warder's in a one on one fight, some of them could possibly beat all of them. Couladin was a very good warrior, even Lan would have been hard pressed.
So, i won't generalize as warders are better than Aiel....that turns things into using numbers, and numbers wise, the warders never have a chance as the Aiel outnumber then many times and would just rol right over them. I'll give my of the top of my head list of people though.

1. Mat Cauthon - I thought on this one for a while and realized that the boy is just GOOD. It doesn't really matter what weapon either. Thom says he has the fastest hands he's ever seen. He knows that ashanderi intimately, every move to use with it. He's great with knives. He actually beat not only Galad, but Galad and Gawyn at the same time, while he was so weak he could barely stand. He killed Couladin. He has all those memories of battles, battles and more battles to teach him strategy. Plus he has tons of luck, which is half of any fight right there.

2. Lan - I don't really think I have anything to say for him

hmmm I'm not sure how I'd rank the rest yet. Rand is definitely up there, but he might be tied with Galad. There are some really good Aiel too. Hmmm in the end I'd probably say Rand next. Anyway, just my view.


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[Lifetime]

So technically, if Rand is on Galad's standard, and Rand can beat 4-5 assailants at a time with just a sword, then technically ole' Mat boy beats out blademaster, power-enhanced Rand the Dragon Reborn.

Its interesting how this works

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[WOLFGIR]

Well 1 on 1, mano e mano eh?? What territory, what rules?The terrain have effect.. Can the aiel use distance weapons? CAn he run away and try to use the stamina against armour??

Too many things here unspoken of.
"In the art od war a trained foe does not fear another trined foe, he fears the one with no training, cause that person might do something completely stupid and kill them both..."

Something to remember..
Oki, I wont be a partypooper.. I think that the warder would win, due to the fact that if he has armour, he can avoid the small spears and spears can be well, hard to parry swords with! (Espacially if the warder is bonded to a green sister, he has something to fight for! )

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[MILAMBER]

Originally posted by Prime2U: Hmmm... too much generalization going on heh. Most of the Warders aren't nearly as good as Galad. And there are several Aiel that are far better than the rest as well. I think there are a few Aiel that could beat all but a handful of the warder's in a one on one fight, some of them could possibly beat all of them. Couladin was a very good warrior, even Lan would have been hard pressed. So, i won't generalize as warders are better than Aiel....that turns things into using numbers, and numbers wise, the warders never have a chance as the Aiel outnumber then many times and would just rol right over them. I'll give my of the top of my head list of people though. 1. Mat Cauthon - I thought on this one for a while and realized that the boy is just GOOD. It doesn't really matter what weapon either. Thom says he has the fastest hands he's ever seen. He knows that ashanderi intimately, every move to use with it. He's great with knives. He actually beat not only Galad, but Galad and Gawyn at the same time, while he was so weak he could barely stand. He killed Couladin. He has all those memories of battles, battles and more battles to teach him strategy. Plus he has tons of luck, which is half of any fight right there. 2. Lan - I don't really think I have anything to say for him hmmm I'm not sure how I'd rank the rest yet. Rand is definitely up there, but he might be tied with Galad. There are some really good Aiel too. Hmmm in the end I'd probably say Rand next. Anyway, just my view.

It's kinda silly to be argueing about something that can't be proven, but I would disagree with Rand not being as good as Mat or Lan. I would argue that he could take on either of them without much of a problem.



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[Prime2U]

Originally posted by MILAMBER: It's kinda silly to be argueing about something that can't be proven, but I would disagree with Rand not being as good as Mat or Lan. I would argue that he could take on either of them without much of a problem.

If he uses the power yes, but sword only? I really doubt it.

[Lifetime]

With the Sword, Rand is supposed to be able to match Lan, because Lan now views him as an equal and a dangerous man. But Lan's never been in combat with ANYONE but those he's defeated, like Trollocs and Halfmen. The last time he fought Rand was while he was still schooling him on sword techniques..So when it comes down to it, Mat beats Galad and Gawyn, survives a Gholam, and therefore can take on 4-5 borderlanders easily(which is what Galad could do alone). And thus Mat is somehow better at the spear than a race of people who use nothing but spears and bows, the Aiel. So where does this talk about the Aiel being one-man-armies?

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