Problems with dual classing

Aeschylus · 04-17-2003, 11:11 PM

As part of my latest campaign I'm trying to create Balduran (or at the very least, one of his assuredly numerous descendents)to go thru the game and equip all of the Balduranic (hm.) artifacts. After a lot of consideration, I finally decided he would be most in character as a vanilla Bard dualed to a vanilla fighter.

After spending at least 5 minutes rolling for the god-like stats such a legend deserves, i came up with:

Str: 17
Dex: 13
Con: 16
Int: 15
Wis: 12
Cha: 16

I figured this was plenty (since I believe you need 17 in the second class' primary stat, and 15 in the first) and went on.
However, when I got in game, I discovered the dual class button was grayed out. The dual class function and I have never gotten along very well, and so I figured I'd just post and figure out what was going on:

1. Why can't I dual-class here? Are bards considered such jacks-of-all-trades that they may not dual class? If so, why have I heard tales of the unspeakable evil cheese class (Swashbuckler) being dualed to a mage, and becoming a perfect terror? (And furthermore, did Black Isle just forget to add "Gets 10% per level on thief skills?" to the kit description? It's really unbalanced compared to the other thief classes, especially since you cannot backstab mages with tactics mod installed- they all start the sector with stoneskin).

2. I've never successfully dual-classed a kit character- the button is always grayed out. Until I saw this forum I had simply assumed it was a restriction of using kits. Is this a bug? I'm running SOA only with the official patch, the thing that shuts of the "gather party voice", and the bonus merchants. And tactics, of course.

3. Does anyone know of any other Baldur items in SOA other than the helm, shield, sword, plate and, (in tactics only, i think) the cloak?

This is my first post, as you may notice, and any help would be greatly appreciated.

Trau · 04-17-2003, 11:43 PM

As far as I know, bards are unable to dual-class.

Radek · 04-18-2003, 04:58 AM

Yes. That's exactly the reason. Any dual class must be a valid multiclass. Check your manual for valid multiclasses. A multiclass fighter/bard does not exist, therefore, a dual class bard/FIGHTER does not exist.
Note: If a multiclass fighter/bard existed, both dual classes bard/FIGHTER and fighter/BARD would exist.

SixOfSpades · 04-18-2003, 12:58 PM

I'd always thought Balduran was a pure Fighter, and a Dwarf at that.

Annatar · 04-18-2003, 04:31 PM

He is/was Six.

Gangrell · 04-19-2003, 10:20 PM

Try talking to the people at GameBanshee, they've come up with some good class combo's and I'm sure Fighter/Bard (and vise versa) would be easy for them to pull off.

Annatar · 04-20-2003, 05:17 AM

You easily create a multi/dual class non-existing/illegal kit/class/combos with the use of Shadowkeeper.. the guys at GameBanshee also use SK to do such a things.

[ 04-20-2003, 05:17 AM: Message edited by: Annatar ]

04-17-2003, 11:11 PM	#1
Aeschylus Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: April 10, 2003 Location: Attica Age: 41 Posts: 5	As part of my latest campaign I'm trying to create Balduran (or at the very least, one of his assuredly numerous descendents)to go thru the game and equip all of the Balduranic (hm.) artifacts. After a lot of consideration, I finally decided he would be most in character as a vanilla Bard dualed to a vanilla fighter. After spending at least 5 minutes rolling for the god-like stats such a legend deserves, i came up with: Str: 17 Dex: 13 Con: 16 Int: 15 Wis: 12 Cha: 16 I figured this was plenty (since I believe you need 17 in the second class' primary stat, and 15 in the first) and went on. However, when I got in game, I discovered the dual class button was grayed out. The dual class function and I have never gotten along very well, and so I figured I'd just post and figure out what was going on: 1. Why can't I dual-class here? Are bards considered such jacks-of-all-trades that they may not dual class? If so, why have I heard tales of the unspeakable evil cheese class (Swashbuckler) being dualed to a mage, and becoming a perfect terror? (And furthermore, did Black Isle just forget to add "Gets 10% per level on thief skills?" to the kit description? It's really unbalanced compared to the other thief classes, especially since you cannot backstab mages with tactics mod installed- they all start the sector with stoneskin). 2. I've never successfully dual-classed a kit character- the button is always grayed out. Until I saw this forum I had simply assumed it was a restriction of using kits. Is this a bug? I'm running SOA only with the official patch, the thing that shuts of the "gather party voice", and the bonus merchants. And tactics, of course. 3. Does anyone know of any other Baldur items in SOA other than the helm, shield, sword, plate and, (in tactics only, i think) the cloak? This is my first post, as you may notice, and any help would be greatly appreciated. __________________ God sees not as man sees. _His_ will be done.<br /><br /> -Charlotte Bronte,<br /> \"Jane Eyre\"

04-17-2003, 11:43 PM	#2
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 40 Posts: 366	As far as I know, bards are unable to dual-class. __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

04-18-2003, 04:58 AM	#3
Radek Red Dragon Join Date: April 3, 2001 Location: Prague, Czech Republic Posts: 1,586	Yes. That's exactly the reason. Any dual class must be a valid multiclass. Check your manual for valid multiclasses. A multiclass fighter/bard does not exist, therefore, a dual class bard/FIGHTER does not exist. Note: If a multiclass fighter/bard existed, both dual classes bard/FIGHTER and fighter/BARD would exist. __________________ My name is Demon\'s Last Day. Yes, the last one.

04-18-2003, 12:58 PM	#4
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	I'd always thought Balduran was a pure Fighter, and a Dwarf at that. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

04-18-2003, 04:31 PM	#5
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	He is/was Six. __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

04-19-2003, 10:20 PM	#6
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	Try talking to the people at GameBanshee, they've come up with some good class combo's and I'm sure Fighter/Bard (and vise versa) would be easy for them to pull off.

04-20-2003, 05:17 AM	#7
Annatar Mephistopheles Join Date: January 7, 2003 Location: Holland Age: 38 Posts: 1,402	You easily create a multi/dual class non-existing/illegal kit/class/combos with the use of Shadowkeeper.. the guys at GameBanshee also use SK to do such a things. [ 04-20-2003, 05:17 AM: Message edited by: Annatar ] __________________ <br />Nau Tagnik\'zur zhal fre\'sla wun ussta i\'dol. -Annatar

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