High-level sorc tactics - Page 5

250 · 10-04-2002, 01:03 PM

this is the thing I used in normal TOB, that biggest contigency spell, ya know. I put 3 Incredian Cloud in it, pop off on Taking Dmg, centered on myself. then I use the second contigency spell (the weaker one) and I use Sunfire X 3, pop off on Dmg Taken, centered on myself.

so the expected scenario is, as soon as combat start, I cast Lower resis X 3 as sequencer. then I cast a Incredian Cloud on myself (of course, with all the protections on, safety first. easily done with items & potions). BAM, 7 damaging spell goes off in one round. normally everything dies

I killed that silver dragon, ya know, like that. just BAM, one round. well, you say a monk or necro-spell can do that too, but how often does it happen? This spell is solid, and killes the dragon every time. so far only the red takes a tiny bite longer since he is immune to fire. anyways

now combine that with Dundee's PII/Wish-strategy or whatever you name it. and the Improved Alarcity. I think, without enemy's resistance, you can do up to 1,000 dmg in 3 round's time to every single enemy. this was my dueling secret, heh, I never got to use it because I didn't Wish can extend time stop period. and mainly because Time-stop was prohibited back then... so I guess thats abt it.

[ 10-04-2002, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: 250 ]

250 · 10-04-2002, 01:14 PM

also, another spell just jumped into my mind, I've never thought of it before.

this set up requires you to take initive in the combat.

so... lets see

Sequencer: Greater Malison X 2 (does it stack? I forgot. if not, use similiarly lower save spells, like Slow), Fireball (the use of this spell is to trigger your contigencies)

Contigency: Greater Malison X 3 (if it stack, if not, use Slow or other similar spells) pop off on dmg taken

Greater Contigency: Finger of Death X 3 centered on nearest enemy, pop off on Dmg Taken

and then use the sequencer and watch the enemy turn into dust.

Alson · 10-04-2002, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
A very interesting approach and definitely different from mine, but I can see its' effectiveness. I personally do not use the spell Simulacrum because it hinders me in the sense that it delays me( I go for speed casting).

Thank for the compliment (I hope

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I never found myself hindered by the Simmy - it acts besides me, adding what i love the most - firepower. [img]graemlins/rambo.gif[/img]
My simmies usually cast from high level scrolls.

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In fact, I rarely use level 8-10 offensive spells for most of my normal battles because they are either too slow to cast or too precious to waste.

Dragon Breath is instantaneous with The Robe.

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It is not uncommon for me to enter a battle, *BOOM!*, I walk away 3 rounds later, fully refreshed.

That IS cool. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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In conclusion, I will paraphrase a member whose name I have forgotten, in regards to Sorcerers,

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And they shall rain fire and Hell upon their enemies, make their wives weep and cause the children to huddle under their beds.

[/QUOTE]Oh yes... Good ol' Nifft the Nimble...

[ 10-04-2002, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: Alson ]

Alson · 10-04-2002, 01:19 PM

@250 - Greater Malison does not stack.

250 · 10-04-2002, 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Alson:
@250 - Greater Malison does not stack.

roger that then, anyways, use slow or lower resis or something, its been a long time since I touched ToB, and I didnt even do all the quest in SoA

WAIT, did I get the two reversed? ok, all the ToB I mentioned above was teally SoA

[ 10-04-2002, 01:36 PM: Message edited by: 250 ]

Dundee Slaytern · 10-04-2002, 01:39 PM

The reason why I said the Simulacrum hinders me is because of the following scenerio,

1) I cast Project Image
2) Project Image kills enemies
3) Er... loot?

There is no space or time to fit in the Simulacrum for my style of playing. As for Dragon's Breath, I know it is instantanous, but if you note what I also wrote, it uses up a precious level 9-10 spell allocation. As I said, I would prefer to cast Wish. [img]smile.gif[/img] Wish is the reason why I can complete ToB in less than 10 game days, excluding Watcher's Keep which takes me 1 game day( including travelling time to and fro).

As for 1000 damage in 3 rounds, hmmmm? IC deal 20d4 damage per round for 20 rounds. 3 ICs mean 60d4 damage in one round for 20 rounds. You can cast about 7 more( 4 by hand, 3 by another CC) so that is 200d4 per round, or 200-800 damage per round for 20 rounds, 600-2400 damage in 3 rounds.

In comparison, ADHW deals 20d8 damage, so 10 means 200d8 damage, or 200-1600 damage in one go( when the Time Stop ends). So yeah, it is a solid tactic so long as you remember to maximise your Fire Resistance first.

Too bad you cannot use SI against your own spells, or this would lead to another ultimate cheese.

250 · 10-04-2002, 01:46 PM

whats ADHW? is it another level 8 spell similar to Horrid Wither? if so, then the two can replace each other...

Dundee Slaytern · 10-04-2002, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by 250:
whats ADHW? is it another level 8 spell similar to Horrid Wither? if so, then the two can replace each other...

Erm... ADHW is Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting. [img]smile.gif[/img]

250 · 10-04-2002, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:

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Originally posted by 250:
whats ADHW? is it another level 8 spell similar to Horrid Wither? if so, then the two can replace each other...

Erm... ADHW is Abi-Dalzim's Horrid Wilting. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]u see, I am very bad with names.... now which one hurts only enemies and which one hurts both? I was talking abt the "both" one, since that one can be used in duel. but against monster, whichever does more dmg goes...

Dundee Slaytern · 10-04-2002, 01:59 PM

ADHW is party-friendly, IC is not. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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10-04-2002, 01:03 PM	#41
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	this is the thing I used in normal TOB, that biggest contigency spell, ya know. I put 3 Incredian Cloud in it, pop off on Taking Dmg, centered on myself. then I use the second contigency spell (the weaker one) and I use Sunfire X 3, pop off on Dmg Taken, centered on myself. so the expected scenario is, as soon as combat start, I cast Lower resis X 3 as sequencer. then I cast a Incredian Cloud on myself (of course, with all the protections on, safety first. easily done with items & potions). BAM, 7 damaging spell goes off in one round. normally everything dies I killed that silver dragon, ya know, like that. just BAM, one round. well, you say a monk or necro-spell can do that too, but how often does it happen? This spell is solid, and killes the dragon every time. so far only the red takes a tiny bite longer since he is immune to fire. anyways now combine that with Dundee's PII/Wish-strategy or whatever you name it. and the Improved Alarcity. I think, without enemy's resistance, you can do up to 1,000 dmg in 3 round's time to every single enemy. this was my dueling secret, heh, I never got to use it because I didn't Wish can extend time stop period. and mainly because Time-stop was prohibited back then... so I guess thats abt it. [ 10-04-2002, 01:07 PM: Message edited by: 250 ]

10-04-2002, 01:14 PM	#42
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	also, another spell just jumped into my mind, I've never thought of it before. this set up requires you to take initive in the combat. so... lets see Sequencer: Greater Malison X 2 (does it stack? I forgot. if not, use similiarly lower save spells, like Slow), Fireball (the use of this spell is to trigger your contigencies) Contigency: Greater Malison X 3 (if it stack, if not, use Slow or other similar spells) pop off on dmg taken Greater Contigency: Finger of Death X 3 centered on nearest enemy, pop off on Dmg Taken and then use the sequencer and watch the enemy turn into dust.

10-04-2002, 01:39 PM	#46
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	The reason why I said the Simulacrum hinders me is because of the following scenerio, 1) I cast Project Image 2) Project Image kills enemies 3) Er... loot? There is no space or time to fit in the Simulacrum for my style of playing. As for Dragon's Breath, I know it is instantanous, but if you note what I also wrote, it uses up a precious level 9-10 spell allocation. As I said, I would prefer to cast Wish. [img]smile.gif[/img] Wish is the reason why I can complete ToB in less than 10 game days, excluding Watcher's Keep which takes me 1 game day( including travelling time to and fro). As for 1000 damage in 3 rounds, hmmmm? IC deal 20d4 damage per round for 20 rounds. 3 ICs mean 60d4 damage in one round for 20 rounds. You can cast about 7 more( 4 by hand, 3 by another CC) so that is 200d4 per round, or 200-800 damage per round for 20 rounds, 600-2400 damage in 3 rounds. In comparison, ADHW deals 20d8 damage, so 10 means 200d8 damage, or 200-1600 damage in one go( when the Time Stop ends). So yeah, it is a solid tactic so long as you remember to maximise your Fire Resistance first. Too bad you cannot use SI against your own spells, or this would lead to another ultimate cheese.

10-04-2002, 01:46 PM	#47
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	whats ADHW? is it another level 8 spell similar to Horrid Wither? if so, then the two can replace each other...

10-04-2002, 01:59 PM	#50
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	ADHW is party-friendly, IC is not. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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