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I thought Sigmar's statement rather telling 'Indeed you are correct Silver Cheetah, God is an "it", but we feel by calling it a he makes it feel closer to us.' Hmm. Which 'us' would that be, Sigmar? I take it you're refering to the collective male 'us' here, rather than the female 'us' which I personally belong to. Calling god 'he' certainly doesn't make it feel any closer to me!! (I meant to bring this up before, actually... I think it's quite important...) [ 04-25-2002, 06:11 PM: Message edited by: Silver Cheetah ]
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Of course, I'm neither a scientist nor a geography major, so I acknowledge that the statement MAY be true...it just sounds like a major exaggeration to me. Quote:
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He also wanted to know why people would do some seemingly senseless acts "in the name of religion". I simply turned his questioning around to show that the same points could be made about ANY issue in which people beleived strongly. If you will look at the last part of that Post again, you will see that I was NOT judging all environmentalist based on the actions of a few. I acknowledged that these actions were taken by the "lunatic fringe" - if you will. I was just pointing out that, unfortunately, religion is generally not granted the same courtesy. Look at the Posts in the 2 threads. Most of the original Posts by non-beleivers were at least partially deragotory in their tone towards ANYONE who clung to religious beliefs (and some were just out-and-out insulting). Granted, some of the Reply's generated by those Posts were equally derisive and two wrongs DON"T make a right. Anyway, I sincerely apologize if you took any offense at my Post....I assure it was not meant that way. It is very difficult to convey voice tone and expression through text, so the translation doesn't always come across accurately.
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As I mentioned... a hypothesis is fluff until it's been rigorously tested by the scientific community. Of course this always results in a lot of noise (the fun part) as other scientists do their darndest to shoot holes in the theories of every one else. (No Nobel for YOU Mr. Cold Fusion!!) [img]smile.gif[/img] If there wasn't the volume of disagreement in the scientific community about controversial subjects I would start to think the system was broken. RE: the complexity of the universe - this IMO is the true challenge of science... to make order out of the chaos. IMO it's something that's far beyond our capabilities... but who knows... maybe if we don't kill ourselves off we might get there in a million years or so. - I've read a thing or two about Thomas Kuhn... since I'm also a Kuhn and my 6 year old is named Thomas. His writing is a bit behind his namesake... but maybe someday. [ 04-25-2002, 06:19 PM: Message edited by: Thoran ] |
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Of course, I'm neither a scientist nor a geography major, so I acknowledge that the statement MAY be true...it just sounds like a major exaggeration to me. Quote:
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He also wanted to know why people would do some seemingly senseless acts "in the name of religion". I simply turned his questioning around to show that the same points could be made about ANY issue in which people beleived strongly. If you will look at the last part of that Post again, you will see that I was NOT judging all environmentalist based on the actions of a few. I acknowledged that these actions were taken by the "lunatic fringe" - if you will. I was just pointing out that, unfortunately, religion is generally not granted the same courtesy. Look at the Posts in the 2 threads. Most of the original Posts by non-beleivers were at least partially deragotory in their tone towards ANYONE who clung to religious beliefs (and some were just out-and-out insulting). Granted, some of the Reply's generated by those Posts were equally derisive and two wrongs DON"T make a right. Anyway, I sincerely apologize if you took any offense at my Post....I assure it was not meant that way. It is very difficult to convey voice tone and expression through text, so the translation doesn't always come across accurately.[/QUOTE]Grr, I just wrote a really long and well thought out reply to this, and lost the whole thing!!!!!!! Argggggggggggggggh! Oh well, let's try again... Not to worry, didn't take any offense at your post! However, I did perceive it as rather 'enviro-debunking', hence my reply. I think I might have read it too fast however, - I think I did miss one or two of your points! Re the rainforest, no, Sir M's statement wasn't hysterical hype. The earth used to be 14% rainforest, now it's 6%. And yes, the amount of rainforest on the earth is still massive. The Amazon rainforest alone covers a billion acres. If it was a country, it would be the ninth largest in the world. So you can see how massive amounts of logging can be carried out, and quite a bit of rainforest remain. Mostly, the rainforest is cut by multinationals, and then other multis come along and farm or ranch on it. A lot of our meat is raised in the third world, because it's cheaper. And a lot of the pasture used to be rainforest. (Hence a lot of people's pissed offedness with McDonalds. Although there are many other reasons.) It's estimated (although of course, estimates vary! [img]smile.gif[/img] ) that at present rates of consumption, the rainforest will be pretty much gone in 40 years, unless we put major safeguards in place. Re 'scare tactics', - okay, examples please! I can't really defend a point with no meat to it. I've tried to show the situation with regard to the rainforest, if you have other examples which hold up, let's have 'em! Re your other points, sorry for the misunderstanding! Sometimes I read too fast..... [img]smile.gif[/img]
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careful, now! you might get my belle a trifle suspicious.... [img]graemlins/blueblink.gif[/img]
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The rainforest is an interesting issue. My father is a semi-retired forester (works for the lumber industry as a timber purchaser/project manager). For years I've had access to a number of forest conservation mags as well as forestry industry mags. One thing I can say is that by and large the people that work in the forest industry are conservationists. The value of a stand of timber is in it's managment, not in it's exploitation (renewable vs. single use argument). Most lumber companies own vast tracts of managed forest... which effectively cuts off development in those areas (a real positive in first world countries). So, given that history I have real problems with the tree spiking radicals... much of that mania is based in ignorance in my opinion. Rainforest is a different matter though, it's nature is not conducive to a managed forestry approach (based on the reading I've done it appears that rain forest needs to reach a "critical density" in order to develop the multi-level ecosystem that they support. So I totally support conservation efforts that involve a "hands-off" approach. I do not believe the doom and gloom predictions of the radicals about how rainforest takes hundreds of years to recover though... abandon areas of the Amazon have reverted to rainforest quite rapidly. As long as we don't turn it all into a desert wasteland, we won't lose it.
All in all I applaud the environmentalist even if I feel they're a bit over the top, I believe their fervor helps to keep the exploitation in check. (my yin and yang philosophy of forest management [img]smile.gif[/img] ) |
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