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Old 04-06-2003, 09:29 PM   #21
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I understand that but records were kept of the things that some of these people went through before they died. Not all of them were just shot in the head.

How sad to just hand the pieces of their bodies back and forget it ever happened, esp when some of the records reportedly record photos/documentation of tortures using chemicals and dismemberment. If anyone who did this is still alive, they should be held accountable.
I agree, they shouldn't have had to die in the manner they did.

I guess I'm looking at it from a different viewpoint than most. To start digging up every crime that Saddam's regime ever commited is, in my opinion, a little biased since every country has commited crimes during war at some point or another, yet the victor generally doesn't have to be held accountable.
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Old 04-06-2003, 09:37 PM   #22
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But they are not digging this one up...it was left out in the open.
(probably what I find most surprising about it, that the photos/records of the tortures weren't destroyed)

I do get where you are coming from though. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Old 04-06-2003, 09:57 PM   #23
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91 uprising or Iran-Iraq war, I still fail to see the importance of either. They are both well documented issue's ...

I mean they are both horrible but nothing new. I dont think anyone is going to be shocked by anything found really. I have heard exile after exile talk about the torture and abuse. From cutting off ears to putting people through human meat grinders. How nice huh

So....

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Old 04-07-2003, 04:35 AM   #24
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The Iran-Iraq war was a brutal affair that was given only cursory coverage in the West. Both sides committed attrocities. Spending time in recriminations and accusations after the war was pointless - neither side has the moral high ground. It was considered more important to try to mend relations and diffuse tensions. This inevitably meant an attempt at 'forgive-and-forget'.

Under that policy, POW's began to return home - and so did bodies. And the relatives ones of the fallen could finally get closure and the knowledge of what happened to their loved ones.

If they are indeed Iraqi soldiers, I don't think that the US/UK have any business interfering in this process. To do so would be for propaganda - at the expense of future Iran-Iraq relations.

I very much hope that they respect the realities of the situation - and simply repatriate the bodies.
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Old 04-07-2003, 09:06 AM   #25
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A British official who is working directly with the sorting out of bodies and the paperwork that belongs to them says that all of the boxes/bags are marked as Iranian or Iraqi and that of almost 500 bodies, only 15% of them are Iranian.
You can rest assured, the British/coalition forces will make sure that those bodies will be returned to Iran.

I have little doubt that the remaining 85% will pass through closer scrutiny prior to just letting the find go and making sure that they all get buried.
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Old 04-07-2003, 09:14 AM   #26
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What is strange for an 'attrocity' is that all the bodies are identified and copious records have been kept identifying the 'victims'.

Normally, in such circumstances, a mound of earth suddenly appears in the middle of nowhere - and no-one has any record of how it got there...
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Old 04-07-2003, 09:36 AM   #27
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My sentiments exactly, which is why I am baffled at the "scraps of republican guard uniform found with some of the bodies" and the reported records/photos of tortures and mutilations.

Granted, the scraps of republican guard uniforms are more than likely from the failed uprising after the Gulf War, but why the written records, the recorded documentation of what they put those men through before they died?

I think I mentioned earlier about wondering why they wouldn't have been destroyed, its not like they didn't have time.
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Old 04-07-2003, 07:12 PM   #28
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Well, it reminds me of the very detailed records that Nazi's kept of the atrocities that they perpetrated on the Jews.
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Old 04-08-2003, 08:21 PM   #29
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Well, it reminds me of the very detailed records that Nazi's kept of the atrocities that they perpetrated on the Jews.
I do believe that the Fayadeen (sp?) was actually modeled after the Nazi's and since the Nazi's favoured detailed record keeping...
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Old 04-10-2003, 01:00 AM   #30
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I wouldn't give them that much credit...mutilating people for scientific and medical studies vs mutilating people because you can...nah.
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