Some women deserve rape says Australian religious leader

[Kakero]

Originally posted by Leonis: quote: Originally posted by Kakero: Are you drunk? What are you babling about? You completely mistook what I was trying to say. Let me explain, a month ago ( i think ). There was a post here that said the pope said bad things about islam. You go and check who and who didnt find that statement offensive via their post. After that you go back and check this thread or any thread about muslim or islam and see who cried foul! Get my drift?

Perhaps they're crying foul because one of the statements deliberately attempts to infringe upon basic human rights, the other does not. [/QUOTE]You just proved my point. ROFLMAOTIDD!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[John D Harris]

Originally posted by wellard: My question to the good people of Ironworks is this. What can be done when a man of authority holds these veiws?

Depends if it violates the laws of the country he is in if it does then something can be done if it doesn't the nothing can be done.

Do any people out there agree that women should be more carefull in there dress and manner?

Everybody needs to be carefull in what they do, say, dress, and even where they go. There's the real world and the world we like to think we live in. In the world we like to think we live in people can say/wear/do/go whatever their little hearts desire and there is no reprocussions, but in the real world there ARE fruitcakes out there that are in desperate need of seeing a shrink. Each of us has to decide if what we want to do is worth the risk of coming across one of the fruitcakes.

[Iron Greasel]

Originally posted by Leonis: Free speech, democracy, blah, blah, blah. It's all rhetoric when one's personal freedom is horrifically violated. Being free to say whatever you want and being free not to be raped, are not even close to the same thing.

But he's not really raping anyone. He's just talking about it. If he had mentioned a specific person that he thinks should be raped, then it would have been either a personal threat or inciting to commit rape, both of which, I think, are illegal in many places. But as he didn't, he's protected by free speech.

Talking about rape in general and raping someone are not even close to the same thing.

[Bungleau]

The issue is that in his sermon, he referenced a recent rape case in Oz... blaming the woman (women?) and referring to the sentence handed down to the rapists.

So while he was talking about it in general, he was also talking in specifics.

[Iron Greasel]

Originally posted by Bungleau: The issue is that in his sermon, he referenced a recent rape case in Oz... blaming the woman (women?) and referring to the sentence handed down to the rapists. So while he was talking about it in general, he was also talking in specifics.

But if the rape had aleady happened, there is no way whatsoever that his sermon could have in any way affected it. What he is doing is still completely theoretical philosophical discussion.

[Leonis]

Originally posted by Kakero: quote: Originally posted by Leonis: quote: Originally posted by Kakero: Are you drunk? What are you babling about? You completely mistook what I was trying to say. Let me explain, a month ago ( i think ). There was a post here that said the pope said bad things about islam. You go and check who and who didnt find that statement offensive via their post. After that you go back and check this thread or any thread about muslim or islam and see who cried foul! Get my drift?

Perhaps they're crying foul because one of the statements deliberately attempts to infringe upon basic human rights, the other does not. [/QUOTE]You just proved my point. ROFLMAOTIDD!!! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Yeah, well good on ya. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] You just made captain of the debating team. When you're on the receiving end of what we're discussing it's kind of hard to roll around on the floor laughing... I grew up, literally in this neighbourhood. It's my hometown we're talking about. The people I grew up with. Not metaphorically, geographically. It's not some hypothetical story, it's my childhood. Cheers.

[Cloudbringer]

Originally posted by Iron Greasel: quote: Originally posted by Bungleau: The issue is that in his sermon, he referenced a recent rape case in Oz... blaming the woman (women?) and referring to the sentence handed down to the rapists. So while he was talking about it in general, he was also talking in specifics.

But if the rape had aleady happened, there is no way whatsoever that his sermon could have in any way affected it. What he is doing is still completely theoretical philosophical discussion. [/QUOTE]But what he was saying (from the pulpit, as it were) about the rapists and the victim was tantamount to saying that the victim was responsible and should be punished for being attacked, thus effectively giving the go ahead to all muslim males to rape any woman who doesn't wear the tradtional head to toe garment and have a male family member accompanying her in public because they wouldn't be considered wrong, she would be at fault for being there and 'inviting' the attack.

I tend to agree with those who pointed out that this is just another way of saying 'hey I'm male and can't control my baser urges, so someone else has to take the blame so I can do what I want without repercussions'.

Wonder what they'd say if a woman was attacking men wearing short sleeves or showing skin other than on their face? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Oh wait.. yah.. sorry.. I forgot...women don't get those 'basic urges'.... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-06-2006, 09:49 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

[Leonis]

Originally posted by Iron Greasel: quote: Originally posted by Bungleau: The issue is that in his sermon, he referenced a recent rape case in Oz... blaming the woman (women?) and referring to the sentence handed down to the rapists. So while he was talking about it in general, he was also talking in specifics.

But if the rape had aleady happened, there is no way whatsoever that his sermon could have in any way affected it. What he is doing is still completely theoretical philosophical discussion. [/QUOTE]And, see above post. These guys grew up listening to this dickhead spew his f***ing filth, under the guise of their religious leader. He IS responsible. He HAS contributed to their values and ideals. He was not just justifying in hindsight their actions, he was justifying the fact that he has taught them these ideals from infanthood.

[Leonis]

And for the record, before anyone gets on any horse, I also had muslim friends growing up. I still have muslim friends who are wonderful, lovely, beautiful souls.

Edit: Cloudy... I agree completely.

[ 11-06-2006, 10:00 AM: Message edited by: Leonis ]

[Yorick]

Originally posted by Leonis: Free speech, democracy, blah, blah, blah. It's all rhetoric when one's personal freedom is horrifically violated. Being free to say whatever you want and being free not to be raped, are not even close to the same thing.

Agreed. Hear Hear.

Not saying what you want is at certain times called "self restraint".