5 french citizens were kidnapped by palestinians.

[The Hierophant]

Well, you're obviously convinced that this would work. Personally I think your tactics would likely ignite a jihad such as you have never seen, and simultaneously erase all credibility of Israel as a state on an international diplomatic level, isolating yourself even as you irrevocably unite your enemies. And all for nothing.
And that's just the practical, political side of things. We havn't even gotten our tip-toes into the mire of personal morality and the shedding of innocent blood...

But these are just my counter-rantings. Personally, I'll try and keep away from such madness for as long as I can.

[ 07-18-2004, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

[Black Baron]

can't disagree with your opinion more.
Please explain why my action that as as one of its goals stands the idea that not even one innocent will die, is immoral and barbaric than bombing a mosque and killing 40 people there.
If my idea was implemented from the start, hundreds of iraquis could have been alive today, as well as hundreds of USA soldiers. Some property would have been damaged, but that would be the total toll. Please explain how and why, acording to that plan, innocents will be killed.

Please explain why should we be afraid from action of our enemy, due to our self defence methods.

War is immoral. If i will have jihad against me, i see no problem in killing everyone that will try to kill me.

Israel will have troubles in executing that plan due to monetary expenses and number of troops required. USA need to fear nothing at all. If, you will say-good for you to give suggestions while in israel, i can only say, that i have no problems at all in enlisting USA army as amercenary and carring that task myself.

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Black Baron: If my idea was implemented from the start, hundreds of iraquis could have been alive today, as well as hundreds of USA soldiers. Some property would have been damaged, but that would be the total toll. Please explain how and why, acording to that plan, innocents will be killed.

My hunch? :The kidnappers would not return the hostages. Nor would the civilian populations of areas in which they are hiding pressure them to return the hostages. When a nation is so utterly hated by its neighbours as Israel is, co-operation levels from said neighbours tend to be quite low, especially when you are threatening them with outright destruction. You would prove yourself to be an evil scourge in their eyes (if Israel hasn't already -to Palestinians I mean, not me-), and my guess is that they would defy you, as per usual. You would be forced to follow through with your genocide, or have your bluff called.

Please explain why should we be afraid from action of our enemy, due to our self defence methods.

Don't be afraid. That's what I'm trying to say, after all of this side-tracking and waffle.

[ 07-18-2004, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

[Timber Loftis]

If you cannot make the people love you, at least make them fear you. -- Tywin Lannister, paraphrased by his son, Tyrion.

[The Hierophant]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: If you cannot make the people love you, at least make them fear you. -- Tywin Lannister, paraphrased by his son, Tyrion.

Hmmm. Mind you don't make them violently hate you and give them 'heroic' examples of martyrdom and defiance though. Tends to throw multiple spanners in the works.

[ 07-19-2004, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]