dumb undead hunter question

StarVid · 05-12-2002, 08:05 PM

What would an Undead Hunter's take be on good undead, like a friendly helpful ghost. It says in the manual that they're all about destroying undead, but some undead can be pretty nice ghosts. What about a ghost like Casper? I mean, he's a friendly ghost. Is it proper for a LG Undead Hunter to tear him up. I don't think so, but it's definitely a conflict of interests...

So what's the general concensus on this?

Dragon Knight Kain · 05-12-2002, 08:07 PM

If you see casper kill him he sucks.
but I don't think there are good ghosts in the game.

StarVid · 05-12-2002, 08:31 PM

I'm not just talking about the game, I mean for roleplaying in general too. And by ToB there will be good ghosts. There's actually one I can think of off hand in SoA. The ghost of the little boy in the graveyard. He's obviously not evil. As an Undead Hunter, who is lawful good, you're supposed to just slay him? I don't think so. It's hardly the most righteous path. That's what I wonder about the Undead Hunter.

Dragon Knight Kain · 05-12-2002, 08:34 PM

aww your lawful good I'm allways evil no matter what.

masteraleph · 05-12-2002, 10:36 PM

As a Paladin, the Undead Hunter would totally be bound by his LG alignment. I think that the Undead Hunter would clearly help someone like the boy in the graveyard...actually, Paladins are supposed to have a natural sense of evil (and can cast detect evil), so they could tell if the undead they were helping was good or evil. The Undead Hunter is just a Paladin devoted to destroying undead...specifically the evil variety. As long as there's a good one who poses no problem, killing it would go against the LG alignment.

hermit09 · 05-12-2002, 11:33 PM

I would assume an Undead Hunter paladin would try to help lay to rest "good" ghosts (like the halfling kid in the graveyard), by finishing their undone tasks or whatever it is that´s not letting their spirits move on.

StarVid · 05-12-2002, 11:54 PM

I don't usually play a Lawful Good alignment. Actually, if I play an undead hunter now, it'll be my first time. But if I'm going to play a holy warrior, I want to see it done right.

The title "Undead Hunter" and it's kit description has such negative connotations. It paints a picture of a crusader against all undead, rather than a paladin who's focused on lifeforces trapped in this realm.

Furthermore, the Undead Hunter isn't even a valid paladin kit (which explains why it's name and description is as such). I remember reading in a 2e suppliment that it was originally a kit designed for Fighter/Thieves (weird to design a kit for a multi-class, but that's what I read). With the F/T the alignment issue isn't a problem.

I was thinking of changing this stuff in the game myself. Anyone happen to have an idea of how to do this? I wouldn't be so fussy, but if I'm going to play a paladin, then everything is a matter of ethics. It'll be interesting, to finally play a character with morals.

Otherwise, screw it, I'll play a cleric. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

theifprowess · 05-13-2002, 07:21 AM

you can kill a good ghost there are two in soa. but do not kill them you screw yourself doin it(i know i did it on accident). shade lord dungeon there are the 2 ghosts that guard anaumtors grave if you kill them before talking to them you cant move forward. doh

and there should be no ethics to killing vamps and liches easy thats why the undead hunter kit is a paladin kit. cleansing the world of the undead menace.
like the cavalier clears the world of the dragon menace

Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs · 05-13-2002, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hermit09:
I would assume an Undead Hunter paladin would try to help lay to rest "good" ghosts (like the halfling kid in the graveyard), by finishing their undone tasks or whatever it is that´s not letting their spirits move on.

from a true roleplaying perspective, the undead hunter would attempt to put to rest ALL ghosts, whether good or evil. ghosts, by definition, have unfinished business to attend to before passing on. Thus, by helping the ghost, the Undead Hunter would rid the world of the undead in the best way. Note that putting an "evil" ghost to rest would free it and cleanse it.

just about the only thing an Undead Hunter wouldn't do to get rid of the ghosts would be to kill an innocent or slander someone.

05-12-2002, 08:05 PM	#1
StarVid Elminster Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople) Age: 46 Posts: 486	What would an Undead Hunter's take be on good undead, like a friendly helpful ghost. It says in the manual that they're all about destroying undead, but some undead can be pretty nice ghosts. What about a ghost like Casper? I mean, he's a friendly ghost. Is it proper for a LG Undead Hunter to tear him up. I don't think so, but it's definitely a conflict of interests... So what's the general concensus on this? __________________ \"Has anyone seen my legs? They\'re not where I usually keep them, which is under my waist.\"

05-12-2002, 08:07 PM	#2
Dragon Knight Kain Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: U.S. (Ohio) Posts: 27	If you see casper kill him he sucks. but I don't think there are good ghosts in the game. __________________ I will ruel the world

05-12-2002, 08:31 PM	#3
StarVid Elminster Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople) Age: 46 Posts: 486	I'm not just talking about the game, I mean for roleplaying in general too. And by ToB there will be good ghosts. There's actually one I can think of off hand in SoA. The ghost of the little boy in the graveyard. He's obviously not evil. As an Undead Hunter, who is lawful good, you're supposed to just slay him? I don't think so. It's hardly the most righteous path. That's what I wonder about the Undead Hunter. __________________ \"Has anyone seen my legs? They\'re not where I usually keep them, which is under my waist.\"

05-12-2002, 08:34 PM	#4
Dragon Knight Kain Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: May 12, 2002 Location: U.S. (Ohio) Posts: 27	aww your lawful good I'm allways evil no matter what. __________________ I will ruel the world

05-12-2002, 11:33 PM	#6
hermit09 Dungeon Master Join Date: May 6, 2002 Location: Mexico Age: 52 Posts: 59	I would assume an Undead Hunter paladin would try to help lay to rest "good" ghosts (like the halfling kid in the graveyard), by finishing their undone tasks or whatever it is that´s not letting their spirits move on. __________________ \"Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.\"<br /><br />\"Of all the things I´ve lost, I miss my mind the most\". <br /><br />Member of the Bleak Cabal and the Anti-Anomen Society

05-12-2002, 10:36 PM	#5
masteraleph Elminster Join Date: March 1, 2001 Posts: 400	As a Paladin, the Undead Hunter would totally be bound by his LG alignment. I think that the Undead Hunter would clearly help someone like the boy in the graveyard...actually, Paladins are supposed to have a natural sense of evil (and can cast detect evil), so they could tell if the undead they were helping was good or evil. The Undead Hunter is just a Paladin devoted to destroying undead...specifically the evil variety. As long as there's a good one who poses no problem, killing it would go against the LG alignment.

05-12-2002, 11:54 PM	#7
StarVid Elminster Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople) Age: 46 Posts: 486	I don't usually play a Lawful Good alignment. Actually, if I play an undead hunter now, it'll be my first time. But if I'm going to play a holy warrior, I want to see it done right. The title "Undead Hunter" and it's kit description has such negative connotations. It paints a picture of a crusader against all undead, rather than a paladin who's focused on lifeforces trapped in this realm. Furthermore, the Undead Hunter isn't even a valid paladin kit (which explains why it's name and description is as such). I remember reading in a 2e suppliment that it was originally a kit designed for Fighter/Thieves (weird to design a kit for a multi-class, but that's what I read). With the F/T the alignment issue isn't a problem. I was thinking of changing this stuff in the game myself. Anyone happen to have an idea of how to do this? I wouldn't be so fussy, but if I'm going to play a paladin, then everything is a matter of ethics. It'll be interesting, to finally play a character with morals. Otherwise, screw it, I'll play a cleric. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ \"Has anyone seen my legs? They\'re not where I usually keep them, which is under my waist.\"

05-13-2002, 07:21 AM	#8
theifprowess Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 9, 2002 Location: california Posts: 613	you can kill a good ghost there are two in soa. but do not kill them you screw yourself doin it(i know i did it on accident). shade lord dungeon there are the 2 ghosts that guard anaumtors grave if you kill them before talking to them you cant move forward. doh and there should be no ethics to killing vamps and liches easy thats why the undead hunter kit is a paladin kit. cleansing the world of the undead menace. like the cavalier clears the world of the dragon menace

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