Rogue - Backstab

Variol (Farseer) Elmwood · 07-08-2003, 06:50 PM

I've looked in the manual for more info. on this, but all it says is that he/she "does extra damage". Can anyone quantify this? I'm just running around with my 6 Rogues now.

Ziggurat · 07-08-2003, 09:51 PM

A rogue gives you 2x damage with backstab as you develop him/her. Then 3x, 4x, 5x ... I don't know what the limit is but it amplifies your damage big time. The last time I played one it was 5x the maximum damage cited for the weapon. Considerable. That's why I consider a rogue about equal to a fighter, or at least a lord or valkyrie, in melee if developed right. And they have stealth and lockpicking.

ScottG · 07-08-2003, 10:14 PM

I think they are better than fighters when considering damage alone (and not taking into account attribute point distribution - ie. senses instead of strength). Remember though that you need to use a weapon that will allow for backstab (shortsword or dagger).

Variol (Farseer) Elmwood · 07-08-2003, 10:57 PM

I'll remember that about the weapons. I'm using swords with some of them now; I'll get rid of them. What factor influences the extra damage; speed, senses?

Ziggurat · 07-09-2003, 12:01 AM

There is a good point here. I had backstab work with almost any weapon that a rogue could use. Of course, I went for swords and daggers. But staves and maces probably would not work. Any experience with this?

gator · 07-09-2003, 08:24 AM

I believe that any weapon with a Thrust attack mode can be used for backstabbing. Most (or many all) swords have that attack mode. So even some of the uber swords can be used.

ScottG · 07-10-2003, 08:07 PM

sorry 'bout stating "short sword", really all swords are short swords in the game - excepet for the giant sword which can't be utilized with a rouge anyway.

I only put that in there because I remember someone stating how they loved the staff of doom with their rouge. The staff of doom is my favorite weapon but its not a weapon to give your rouge - no backstab.

here is an oddity.....
correct me if i'm wrong, but rouges can't use polearms can they? Typically you'll see trynnie champions and patrols do backstab damage with polearms - if the former is correct then whats the deal?

ChaosTheorist · 07-10-2003, 08:17 PM

Yeah, the Trynnie "backstab" with their spears all the time. Guess they get an "exemption" or something....

07-08-2003, 06:50 PM	#1
Variol (Farseer) Elmwood Jack Burton Join Date: May 16, 2003 Location: Dartmouth, NS Canada Age: 59 Posts: 5,634	I've looked in the manual for more info. on this, but all it says is that he/she "does extra damage". Can anyone quantify this? I'm just running around with my 6 Rogues now. __________________ A MAN WHO WANTS FOR NOTHING HAS INFINITE WEALTH. (me)

07-08-2003, 09:51 PM	#2
Ziggurat Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 4, 2001 Location: Baltimore, Md Age: 71 Posts: 1,106	A rogue gives you 2x damage with backstab as you develop him/her. Then 3x, 4x, 5x ... I don't know what the limit is but it amplifies your damage big time. The last time I played one it was 5x the maximum damage cited for the weapon. Considerable. That's why I consider a rogue about equal to a fighter, or at least a lord or valkyrie, in melee if developed right. And they have stealth and lockpicking. __________________ How are you today, Citizen?

07-08-2003, 10:57 PM	#4
Variol (Farseer) Elmwood Jack Burton Join Date: May 16, 2003 Location: Dartmouth, NS Canada Age: 59 Posts: 5,634	I'll remember that about the weapons. I'm using swords with some of them now; I'll get rid of them. What factor influences the extra damage; speed, senses? __________________ A MAN WHO WANTS FOR NOTHING HAS INFINITE WEALTH. (me)

07-09-2003, 12:01 AM	#5
Ziggurat Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 4, 2001 Location: Baltimore, Md Age: 71 Posts: 1,106	There is a good point here. I had backstab work with almost any weapon that a rogue could use. Of course, I went for swords and daggers. But staves and maces probably would not work. Any experience with this? __________________ How are you today, Citizen?

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07-08-2003, 10:14 PM	#3
ScottG Drow Warrior Join Date: June 13, 2003 Location: Never Never Land Age: 55 Posts: 267	I think they are better than fighters when considering damage alone (and not taking into account attribute point distribution - ie. senses instead of strength). Remember though that you need to use a weapon that will allow for backstab (shortsword or dagger).

07-09-2003, 08:24 AM	#6
gator Dungeon Master Join Date: April 15, 2003 Location: Kentucky Age: 50 Posts: 59	I believe that any weapon with a Thrust attack mode can be used for backstabbing. Most (or many all) swords have that attack mode. So even some of the uber swords can be used.

07-10-2003, 08:07 PM	#7
ScottG Drow Warrior Join Date: June 13, 2003 Location: Never Never Land Age: 55 Posts: 267	sorry 'bout stating "short sword", really all swords are short swords in the game - excepet for the giant sword which can't be utilized with a rouge anyway. I only put that in there because I remember someone stating how they loved the staff of doom with their rouge. The staff of doom is my favorite weapon but its not a weapon to give your rouge - no backstab. here is an oddity..... correct me if i'm wrong, but rouges can't use polearms can they? Typically you'll see trynnie champions and patrols do backstab damage with polearms - if the former is correct then whats the deal?

07-10-2003, 08:17 PM	#8
ChaosTheorist Manshoon Join Date: May 14, 2003 Location: Seattle Age: 69 Posts: 163	Yeah, the Trynnie "backstab" with their spears all the time. Guess they get an "exemption" or something....

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