Which is better through TOB? - Page 2

Dace De'Briago · 02-20-2003, 08:11 PM

[blockquote]Bear in mind that all attacks made during a Time Stop are guaranteed hits anyway.[/blockquote]

That isn't true. I think you need to roll THACO anyway. Against some uberenemies, I've missed quite a few attack rolls during timestops.

[ 02-20-2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Dace De'Briago ]

Dundee Slaytern · 02-20-2003, 08:16 PM

The only time you will miss during a Time-Stop, is on a Critical Miss.

Alson · 02-21-2003, 04:33 AM

False. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

When attacking a Stunned / Time Stopped target, the engine doesn't even roll the hit dice. Ergo, no Critical Misses, ergo, no misses at all. [img]smile.gif[/img]

As a result, Fury and Time Stop rule.

[img]tongue.gif[/img]

Dundee Slaytern · 02-21-2003, 05:25 AM

I guess this is one of the cases where you cannot fully trust the game engine code( like how traps work), coz like Dace, I have had experienced misses during a Time Stop. The only notable thing is, they were all Critical Misses.

Alson · 02-21-2003, 07:13 AM

Mysterious! Either it is (yet another) local install issue, or i've been extremely lucky with both Time Stop and Fury -- which is unlikely, since i use Fury in most of my games. Wierd.

Dundee Slaytern · 02-21-2003, 10:56 AM

Stun is an autohit all the time in my experience as well. It is only during a Time Stop that I notice the Critical Misses. In fact, this might be why you never get to see it, because you use CFury during the Time Stop. The stun will make all hits automatic. Try using other weapons during Time Stop, you will get a Critical Miss sooner or later.

[ADD] To cut a long story short. Dace and I are not disputing that stun grants auto-hits. We are merely stating that you can still suffer from Critical Misses during a Time Stop.

[ 02-21-2003, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Dace De'Briago · 02-21-2003, 12:03 PM

Seconded [img]smile.gif[/img]

Rataxes · 02-21-2003, 12:07 PM

Yes I'll admit I've experienced misses during Time stop as well.

02-20-2003, 08:11 PM	#11
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 45 Posts: 1,617	[blockquote]Bear in mind that all attacks made during a Time Stop are guaranteed hits anyway.[/blockquote] That isn't true. I think you need to roll THACO anyway. Against some uberenemies, I've missed quite a few attack rolls during timestops. [ 02-20-2003, 08:13 PM: Message edited by: Dace De'Briago ] __________________ Warning: Powergamer

02-21-2003, 04:33 AM	#13
Alson Galvatron Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: Israel Age: 38 Posts: 2,187	False. [img]tongue.gif[/img] When attacking a Stunned / Time Stopped target, the engine doesn't even roll the hit dice. Ergo, no Critical Misses, ergo, no misses at all. [img]smile.gif[/img] As a result, Fury and Time Stop rule. [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ In memory of Ilan Ramon - the first Israeli astronaut.<br /><br /><br />[url]\"http://members.chello.nl/~j.vanthull/BG2SR/Home.htm\" target=\"_blank\">BGII Spells Reference</a> - everything you ever wanted to know about spells!

02-21-2003, 07:13 AM	#15
Alson Galvatron Join Date: December 14, 2001 Location: Israel Age: 38 Posts: 2,187	Mysterious! Either it is (yet another) local install issue, or i've been extremely lucky with both Time Stop and Fury -- which is unlikely, since i use Fury in most of my games. Wierd. __________________ In memory of Ilan Ramon - the first Israeli astronaut.<br /><br /><br />[url]\"http://members.chello.nl/~j.vanthull/BG2SR/Home.htm\" target=\"_blank\">BGII Spells Reference</a> - everything you ever wanted to know about spells!

02-21-2003, 12:03 PM	#17
Dace De'Briago Silver Dragon Join Date: December 28, 2002 Location: Wales Age: 45 Posts: 1,617	Seconded [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Warning: Powergamer

02-21-2003, 12:07 PM	#18
Rataxes Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 17, 2002 Location: Sweden Age: 39 Posts: 1,359	Yes I'll admit I've experienced misses during Time stop as well. __________________ [img]\"http://atlas.walagata.com/w/rataxes/ymca3.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />I want <b>YOU!</b>

02-20-2003, 08:16 PM	#12
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	The only time you will miss during a Time-Stop, is on a Critical Miss.

02-21-2003, 05:25 AM	#14
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	I guess this is one of the cases where you cannot fully trust the game engine code( like how traps work), coz like Dace, I have had experienced misses during a Time Stop. The only notable thing is, they were all Critical Misses.

02-21-2003, 10:56 AM	#16
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	Stun is an autohit all the time in my experience as well. It is only during a Time Stop that I notice the Critical Misses. In fact, this might be why you never get to see it, because you use CFury during the Time Stop. The stun will make all hits automatic. Try using other weapons during Time Stop, you will get a Critical Miss sooner or later. [ADD] To cut a long story short. Dace and I are not disputing that stun grants auto-hits. We are merely stating that you can still suffer from Critical Misses during a Time Stop. [ 02-21-2003, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

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