Hammer +4 vs Giantkin. What is giantkin? - Page 3

Imrahil · 05-31-2005, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Jerr Conner:

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Originally posted by Imrahil:
To clarify, though, it "works" on pretty much anything short of Anath, meaning it can hit creatures that require +1 or better to hit, +2 or better to hit, +3 or better to hit, & +4 or better to hit.

*But*, it only gets +4 to THAC0 & +4 to damage vs. Giants & Giant-kin, which, depending on who you ask, is either Giants & Ettins -or- Giants & Ettins & Ogres & Trolls. It only gets +1 to THAC0 & damage vs. all other creatures.

I don't know the answer as far as what the game considers Giant-kin, but I do know that it can hit, for example, Fire Elementals (which require +2 or better to hit), even though it only gets +1 THAC0 & +1 damage while doing so.

- Imrahil

Hmm, but whhy does it work against Iron and Adamantium Golems if it's only +1-2? Cause only +3 and above are supposed to hurt them.[/QUOTE]Because it's *always* considered +4 when determining what it can hit. However, it only receives the full +4 to THAC0 & damage when used against Giants & Giant-kin.

Think of it this way, under 2 different set of circumstances...

If fighting a Panther, the Hammer is considered +4 for determining what it can hit, gives a bonus of +1 to THAC0 & +1 to damage.

If fighting a Fire Giant, the Hammer is considered +4 for determining what it can hit, gives a bonus of +4 to THAC0 & +4 to damage.

The "is considered +4 for determining what it can hit" is always true, no matter what you're using it against.

- Imrahil

Jerr Conner · 05-31-2005, 02:51 PM

So in other words, it's really a Warhammer +4...

SixOfSpades · 05-31-2005, 04:32 PM

Jerr, read this post. Then keep reading it, again and again, until you understand it.

A Warhammer +1 grants a -1 bonus to THAC0, a +1 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal and +1 weapons.

A Warhammer +2 grants a -2 bonus to THAC0, a +2 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, and +2 weapons.

A Warhammer +3 grants a -3 bonus to THAC0, a +3 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, and +3 weapons.

A Warhammer +4 grants a -4 bonus to THAC0, a +4 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, +4 and +4 weapons.

The Warhammer+1, +4 vs. Giantkin is NOT a Warhammer+1 or a Warhammer+4. It always strikes as a +4 weapon, but grants the THAC0 and Damage bonuses of a +1 weapon. The only time it behaves exactly like a regular Warhammer+4 is when you are fighting what the game treats as "Giantkin."

Yes, I'm in a bad mood.

Kyrvias · 05-31-2005, 04:54 PM

So your basically saying, it can hit creatures only hit by weapons plus four.

But the bonuses are only +1 unless fighting Giantkin, in which case they are +4.

Simple. I, understand
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Jerr Conner · 05-31-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
Jerr, read this post. Then keep reading it, again and again, until you understand it.

A Warhammer +1 grants a -1 bonus to THAC0, a +1 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal and +1 weapons.

A Warhammer +2 grants a -2 bonus to THAC0, a +2 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, and +2 weapons.

A Warhammer +3 grants a -3 bonus to THAC0, a +3 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, and +3 weapons.

A Warhammer +4 grants a -4 bonus to THAC0, a +4 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, +4 and +4 weapons.

The Warhammer+1, +4 vs. Giantkin is NOT a Warhammer+1 or a Warhammer+4. It always strikes as a +4 weapon, but grants the THAC0 and Damage bonuses of a +1 weapon. The only time it behaves exactly like a regular Warhammer+4 is when you are fighting what the game treats as "Giantkin."

Yes, I'm in a bad mood.

Ok I get it.

It's a Warhammer +3!

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el_kalkylus · 06-01-2005, 12:01 PM

Ok everybody can stop repeating each other now. [img]smile.gif[/img]

krunchyfrogg · 06-01-2005, 05:58 PM

Yeah, everybody stop repeating each other.

ister · 06-01-2005, 06:14 PM

So, does it work against trolls?

Sir Goulum · 06-01-2005, 09:24 PM

From what I can gather... yes.

05-31-2005, 02:51 PM	#22
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05-31-2005, 04:32 PM	#23
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	Jerr, read this post. Then keep reading it, again and again, until you understand it. A Warhammer +1 grants a -1 bonus to THAC0, a +1 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal and +1 weapons. A Warhammer +2 grants a -2 bonus to THAC0, a +2 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, and +2 weapons. A Warhammer +3 grants a -3 bonus to THAC0, a +3 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, and +3 weapons. A Warhammer +4 grants a -4 bonus to THAC0, a +4 bonus to damage, and can hit creatures that are vulnerable to Normal, +1, +2, +4 and +4 weapons. The Warhammer+1, +4 vs. Giantkin is NOT a Warhammer+1 or a Warhammer+4. It always strikes as a +4 weapon, but grants the THAC0 and Damage bonuses of a +1 weapon. The only time it behaves exactly like a regular Warhammer+4 is when you are fighting what the game treats as "Giantkin." Yes, I'm in a bad mood. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

06-01-2005, 12:01 PM	#26
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06-01-2005, 05:58 PM	#27
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	Yeah, everybody stop repeating each other. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

06-01-2005, 06:14 PM	#28
ister Drow Warrior Join Date: January 12, 2005 Location: usa Age: 57 Posts: 291	So, does it work against trolls? __________________ \" Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.\"<br />JFK

05-31-2005, 04:54 PM	#24
Kyrvias Lord Ao Join Date: May 15, 2005 Posts: 2,092	So your basically saying, it can hit creatures only hit by weapons plus four. But the bonuses are only +1 unless fighting Giantkin, in which case they are +4. Simple. I, understand (\ /) (0.0) (> <) /_\|_\

06-01-2005, 09:24 PM	#29
Sir Goulum John Locke Join Date: February 7, 2002 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 8,985	From what I can gather... yes.

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