Shadows Thieves and 'good' characters??

Adamo · 02-08-2005, 03:59 AM

I'm just starting Chapter 3 and Yoshimo suggested we go to see Renal Bloodscalp. We meet him and he sends us to join Mae'var's guild. Some of the tasks that he's asking us to do don't seem to be something that a 'good' character would be doing (like Edwin having us go knock off one of the Cowled Wizards). Is it necessary to continue with this subquest to complete the game? I'm thinking about just skipping out on this whole Renal thing and just stick to Aran's quests.

Any suggestions?

adam

Xen · 02-08-2005, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by Adamo:
Some of the tasks that he's asking us to do don't seem to be something that a 'good' character would be doing (like Edwin having us go knock off one of the Cowled Wizards).

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[ 02-09-2005, 04:29 AM: Message edited by: Dundee Slaytern ]

Cerek · 02-08-2005, 06:18 AM

Working with the Shadow Thieves does present soemthing of a "moral dilemma" for good characters, but they are currently the best option in the game for those of good alignment.

There has been an extensive discussion on creating a Mod that does actually provide a "Good" alternative for the PC and party to get to Spellhold without working with the Thieve's Guild or Bodhi, but it hasn't gotten past the discussion stage yet.

As for the tasks required by Aran and Mae'var, there was a lengthy discussion about the specific encounter you mentioned and whether a good-aligned character could justify breaking into the home of Cowled Wizard and killing him just to please Edwin.

That discussion took place here --> Roleplaying/Alignment Dilemmas

Hope that helps.

Q'alooaith · 02-08-2005, 07:31 AM

though a mod that gives a "good" way to get to spellhold flys in the face of game design, the idea being the player could pick the lesser of two evils, but still had to pick an evil.

TheGodThatFailed · 02-08-2005, 07:38 AM

Well, maybe the game designers only used 2 evil paths for a reason. The player is a bhaal spawn, and they wanted him to choose one side of evil, becuase of the heritage, or something alone those lines.

Adamo · 02-08-2005, 10:19 AM

will my character lose 'lore' points for carrying out these tasks?

Xen · 02-08-2005, 10:25 AM

You can't lose lore points. You can lose reputation points. And you won't lose them don't worry.

ister · 02-08-2005, 11:27 AM

You don't HAVE to kill the cowled wizard. You can just refuse to do it and get in a brawl with Edwin.

TheGodThatFailed · 02-08-2005, 11:47 AM

Aren't lore points the things that are used to determine what you can identify without a scroll/spell/merchant? Like how much you know about culture, and artifacts or something? This is the case in NWN...

Riftmaker · 02-08-2005, 11:49 AM

Having 2 evil paths is just dumb, and we've been over this, check out that thread that Cerek was pointing to.

02-08-2005, 06:18 AM	#3
Cerek Registered Member Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 27, 2004 Location: North Carolina Age: 62 Posts: 4,888	Working with the Shadow Thieves does present soemthing of a "moral dilemma" for good characters, but they are currently the best option in the game for those of good alignment. There has been an extensive discussion on creating a Mod that does actually provide a "Good" alternative for the PC and party to get to Spellhold without working with the Thieve's Guild or Bodhi, but it hasn't gotten past the discussion stage yet. As for the tasks required by Aran and Mae'var, there was a lengthy discussion about the specific encounter you mentioned and whether a good-aligned character could justify breaking into the home of Cowled Wizard and killing him just to please Edwin. That discussion took place here --> Roleplaying/Alignment Dilemmas Hope that helps. __________________ Cerek the Calmth

02-08-2005, 07:31 AM	#4
Q'alooaith Emerald Dragon Join Date: December 10, 2003 Location: UK Age: 41 Posts: 961	though a mod that gives a "good" way to get to spellhold flys in the face of game design, the idea being the player could pick the lesser of two evils, but still had to pick an evil. __________________ -Jenn

02-08-2005, 07:38 AM	#5
TheGodThatFailed Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 18, 2004 Location: Where silent gods stand guard Age: 34 Posts: 699	Well, maybe the game designers only used 2 evil paths for a reason. The player is a bhaal spawn, and they wanted him to choose one side of evil, becuase of the heritage, or something alone those lines. __________________ Oh, Dreadful angel of mine...<br />Enrich me with the vastenss of your being...<br />Rigid father, Teach me hto comprehend...<br />I\'ll commit myself to understand...

02-08-2005, 11:27 AM	#8
ister Drow Warrior Join Date: January 12, 2005 Location: usa Age: 57 Posts: 291	You don't HAVE to kill the cowled wizard. You can just refuse to do it and get in a brawl with Edwin. __________________ \" Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.\"<br />JFK

02-08-2005, 11:47 AM	#9
TheGodThatFailed Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: March 18, 2004 Location: Where silent gods stand guard Age: 34 Posts: 699	Aren't lore points the things that are used to determine what you can identify without a scroll/spell/merchant? Like how much you know about culture, and artifacts or something? This is the case in NWN... __________________ Oh, Dreadful angel of mine...<br />Enrich me with the vastenss of your being...<br />Rigid father, Teach me hto comprehend...<br />I\'ll commit myself to understand...

02-08-2005, 03:59 AM	#1
Adamo Dungeon Master Join Date: October 28, 2004 Location: Boston Age: 55 Posts: 54	I'm just starting Chapter 3 and Yoshimo suggested we go to see Renal Bloodscalp. We meet him and he sends us to join Mae'var's guild. Some of the tasks that he's asking us to do don't seem to be something that a 'good' character would be doing (like Edwin having us go knock off one of the Cowled Wizards). Is it necessary to continue with this subquest to complete the game? I'm thinking about just skipping out on this whole Renal thing and just stick to Aran's quests. Any suggestions? adam

02-08-2005, 10:19 AM	#6
Adamo Dungeon Master Join Date: October 28, 2004 Location: Boston Age: 55 Posts: 54	will my character lose 'lore' points for carrying out these tasks?

02-08-2005, 10:25 AM	#7
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 37 Posts: 8,554	You can't lose lore points. You can lose reputation points. And you won't lose them don't worry.

02-08-2005, 11:49 AM	#10
Riftmaker Elminster Join Date: August 30, 2004 Location: Canada Age: 40 Posts: 463	Having 2 evil paths is just dumb, and we've been over this, check out that thread that Cerek was pointing to. __________________ a.k.a. Lord`Rift<br />Founder, Anti-Idgit Squad.<br />\"I find your lack of geek knowledge disturbing\"

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