Rogue talent review

[Ivelliis]

Slacking on the job, ey Luvian?

[Cloudbringer]

No worries, Ivellis, we're here now.

Take any more personal criticisms and arguments to pm, folks and continue with the general discussion, thanks!

[ 07-26-2006, 11:46 AM: Message edited by: Cloudbringer ]

[burnzey boi]

I've been playing lock recently, i reckon affliction is the way to go for groupwork in instances. And i agree with Timber, they do need a review, in my opinion i think they should add all reviews at one time so there isn't one that has all these nice new talents and the other classes are stuck with crappy old ones. Warriors need a review too.. Can't seem to beat anything in pvp except a rogue. Mages blink out of everything, locks fear so you can't hit, paladins are just plain annoying, and hunters with their slowing traps and concussion shot.

(Hate the fact you got to pay every two months for 40$, half that time you are off somewhere else.)

[ 07-27-2006, 06:31 AM: Message edited by: burnzey boi ]

[Timber Loftis]

Remember the "Warlocks are mushrooms" bit from World of Roguecraft? Remember the part about "Warrior are Rock?" As the guy describes, warriors are not that great levels 1 to 60. However, as your level 59 warrior will soon begin to discover, at level 60 warriors get crazy powerful.

You'll start getting crazy gear, that scales with level, and that can both deliver and take punishment. A level 60 prot warrior dressed in Tier 0 or 0.5 pre-raiding gear will tell you that he basically can stand among anything level 55 or lower and just not take any damage. A level 60 fury warrior will, on the other hand, wtfpwn anything, usually dealing out enough white damage that he can effectively tank without being specced for it.

You'll get nuts with your warrior where pvp is concerned. Be patient, visit Scholo, Strat, DM, UBRS, LBRS a few dozen times each, then roll out onto WSG and fear nothing (except the warriors in Tier 3). Actually, fear everything - literally. Make them run. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 07-27-2006, 10:10 AM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

[Ivelliis]

Originally posted by Cloudbringer: No worries, Ivellis, we're here now.

My hero!


As far as I know, a good warrior (especially fury) needs good gear to be good. Some classes can be good with blues/greens, but warriors need good gear.

Warlocks I don't have much problem with in PVP, being undead. They fear (if they get the jump), I WOTF. If I get the jump, they're stunned until 4 combo points, then I kick if they try and cast a spell (I think most of your spells would count as shadow, which is handy *grin*) and then evis, boom, dead.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally posted by Ivelliis: Warlocks I don't have much problem with in PVP, being undead. They fear (if they get the jump), I WOTF. If I get the jump, they're stunned until 4 combo points, then I kick if they try and cast a spell (I think most of your spells would count as shadow, which is handy *grin*) and then evis, boom, dead.

Finally, an honest rogue.

[Ivelliis]

Honest rogues...heh

Rogues can be powerful, but they aren't as powerful as you make them out to be TL (in PVP).

You catch a rogue in the middle of the field, unstealthed, or worse dotted, he's a free kill. Vanish and Evasion on 5min cooldowns, it's not like our get out of jail free ability can be overused.

I just dinged 30, I headed into the 30-39 battleground and I got wasted. People spotted me, whilst stealthed, far away, and I'm not talking about humans with perception. If rogues get the jump, and you're alone, 9/10 you're toast. The otherway around, a rogue has to be pretty crafty and use a lot of cooldowns to beat any class which has him dotted, feared, CCed, whatever.

This is all from my experience in 1-29, so for all I know rogues could be juggernauts(sp?) of destruction and chaos 30+, although it seems unlikely.

[Timber Loftis]

Rogues truly hurt me something fierce through the 30's. At 42 I got deathcoil, meaning that if the rogue gave me one second unstunned I had a chance.

I have about a 50/50 ratio with rogues, I'd guess. I'm currently levelling one up, and haven't ventured into BG's yet, but it just seems retardedly easy and fast to kill stuff with them. Of course, that's the point, when you have low health you gotta kill quick.

[Ivelliis]

20-29 I was good against normal players. Twinks it could go either way.

Twink paladins were the worst, at 2% they'd bubble, heal to full (in which I'd bandage) and we'd start again *sighs* A pain in the arse.

50/50 is a good ratio, TL, that shows fairness, and that it can go either way in the blink of an eye.

[burnzey boi]

My rogue style: Distract player so they face other direction, ambush crit for 1000 - 1300, initiative spec should give me 2 combo's instead of one, sinister strike for another combo, gouge for combo, backstab for combo, cold blood for 100% crit chance, eviscrate for a 1k crit and dead. Gotta do this quickly or they run away.. Great thing about sprint though, is that you can use it in stealth which is AWESOME. And being able to wipe something faster than Mr Sheen cleaning products (I mean under 10 secs minimum) that's pretty good.

Go daggers for pvp. Sword rogues are no way as good because they have less skills available which give good damage. Cheap shot is pve stuff.

[ 07-29-2006, 01:24 AM: Message edited by: burnzey boi ]