I got a bone to pick with the BG2 and death (spoilers)

Trau · 03-27-2003, 08:35 PM

Why is it that Imoen, as a Bhaalspawn, can be resurrected, and the PC cannot?

Why is it that Maze on the PC ends the game if all of your party members are dead, but not while they are alive?

Buster_Wiz · 03-27-2003, 08:47 PM

well for #1 a good story kinda sucks with no protagonist lol.
and for #2 would you rather it end when you get mazed period? Maze is actually a pretty darn annoying spell, it would really be bad to end a game on a non- lethal spell like that, especially when a LOT of enemies have the capability to cast it and it is fairly difficult to counter

Kaltia · 03-27-2003, 08:55 PM

Maze-because nobody is physically there to fight. You'll often find that if the rest of your party are dead and you are dominated the game ends too.
I don't knmow what difficulty you're playing it on, but Immy always seems to die in spectacular ways and therefore can never be resurrected for me

Arias De'Minal · 03-27-2003, 08:58 PM

1. Your party is hopelessly lost without you. They have chosen to follow you till the day you die, at whcih they brake off and lead their sperate lives, execpt for Immy, she dies because Irenicus Plagued her.....

2. See Number 1.

Mirror Image · 03-27-2003, 08:59 PM

As to why Imoen can be resurrected, I really don't buy the story she is a Bhaal child. Remember its Irenicus who says that and then he gives her soul to his sister while taking the soul of your PC. Then again I have been known to be wrong.

As to the second question perhaps you are mixing Maze with Imprisonment. In Maze the character returns after an alotted time. Imprisonment is permanent unless a release spell is cast. When imprisonment occurs the character image imprisoned disappears from the group.

Kaltia · 03-27-2003, 09:11 PM

No, he isn't mixing maze/imprisonment; he noticed that his PC returned BUT ONLY IF THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE OTHER LIVING PARTY MEMBER! If that character dies whilst yours is still mazed, then you get the death animation. Maze drives soloers nuts, for that reason [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Trau · 03-27-2003, 09:16 PM

So what if no one is there to fight my enemies while I'm Mazed? It still isn't a lethal spell.

And if my party members are pledged to my cause and following me, they'd surely resurrect me.

Kaltia · 03-27-2003, 09:19 PM

I think it's because you have to have at least one character on the screen. Otherwise the game thinks your entire party has died.

Trau · 03-27-2003, 09:25 PM

Yes, I know that. [img]smile.gif[/img] I just think it's dumb.

Kaltia · 03-27-2003, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trau:
Yes, I know that. [img]smile.gif[/img] I just think it's dumb.

Me too, I wish you could change it so that your character could be resurrected but
a) it'd remove a fair bit of the storyline
b) It's an intristic part of the game and can't be changed.

03-27-2003, 08:55 PM	#3
Kaltia Jack Burton Join Date: May 2, 2002 Location: Canterbury, England Age: 38 Posts: 5,817	Maze-because nobody is physically there to fight. You'll often find that if the rest of your party are dead and you are dominated the game ends too. I don't knmow what difficulty you're playing it on, but Immy always seems to die in spectacular ways and therefore can never be resurrected for me __________________ The wolf is as cunning as he is ferocious; once he's had a taste of flesh then nothing else will do.

03-27-2003, 08:58 PM	#4
Arias De'Minal Manshoon Join Date: January 23, 2003 Location: Ky Age: 47 Posts: 166	1. Your party is hopelessly lost without you. They have chosen to follow you till the day you die, at whcih they brake off and lead their sperate lives, execpt for Immy, she dies because Irenicus Plagued her..... 2. See Number 1. __________________ IGNORANCE IS POWER

03-27-2003, 09:11 PM	#6
Kaltia Jack Burton Join Date: May 2, 2002 Location: Canterbury, England Age: 38 Posts: 5,817	No, he isn't mixing maze/imprisonment; he noticed that his PC returned BUT ONLY IF THERE WAS AT LEAST ONE OTHER LIVING PARTY MEMBER! If that character dies whilst yours is still mazed, then you get the death animation. Maze drives soloers nuts, for that reason [img]tongue.gif[/img] __________________ The wolf is as cunning as he is ferocious; once he's had a taste of flesh then nothing else will do.

03-27-2003, 09:16 PM	#7
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 41 Posts: 366	So what if no one is there to fight my enemies while I'm Mazed? It still isn't a lethal spell. And if my party members are pledged to my cause and following me, they'd surely resurrect me. __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

03-27-2003, 09:19 PM	#8
Kaltia Jack Burton Join Date: May 2, 2002 Location: Canterbury, England Age: 38 Posts: 5,817	I think it's because you have to have at least one character on the screen. Otherwise the game thinks your entire party has died. __________________ The wolf is as cunning as he is ferocious; once he's had a taste of flesh then nothing else will do.

03-27-2003, 08:35 PM	#1
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 41 Posts: 366	Why is it that Imoen, as a Bhaalspawn, can be resurrected, and the PC cannot? Why is it that Maze on the PC ends the game if all of your party members are dead, but not while they are alive? __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

03-27-2003, 08:47 PM	#2
Buster_Wiz Dungeon Master Join Date: March 16, 2002 Location: TN Age: 43 Posts: 89	well for #1 a good story kinda sucks with no protagonist lol. and for #2 would you rather it end when you get mazed period? Maze is actually a pretty darn annoying spell, it would really be bad to end a game on a non- lethal spell like that, especially when a LOT of enemies have the capability to cast it and it is fairly difficult to counter

03-27-2003, 08:59 PM	#5
Mirror Image Manshoon Join Date: March 15, 2003 Location: Huntington Beach Age: 62 Posts: 165	As to why Imoen can be resurrected, I really don't buy the story she is a Bhaal child. Remember its Irenicus who says that and then he gives her soul to his sister while taking the soul of your PC. Then again I have been known to be wrong. As to the second question perhaps you are mixing Maze with Imprisonment. In Maze the character returns after an alotted time. Imprisonment is permanent unless a release spell is cast. When imprisonment occurs the character image imprisoned disappears from the group.

03-27-2003, 09:25 PM	#9
Trau Zhentarim Guard Join Date: July 10, 2002 Location: Martinez, California, United States of America Age: 41 Posts: 366	Yes, I know that. [img]smile.gif[/img] I just think it's dumb. __________________ Black Bush: \"UN got a problem with me in Iraq? You know what you should do? You should sanction me. Sanction me with your army. Oh wait, you don\'t have an army. I guess that means you should need to shut the fk up! SHUT THE FK UP!\"

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