Wizardless parties.

Indemaijinj · 09-18-2002, 02:55 PM

Right now I am fooling around with a custom party made entirely from half-orcs. This means that I have no wizard capabilities at all. I wanted to make a real "orky" party so I only allowed myself the comfort of one single cleric of Talos as well as one swashbluckler (they're pretty "rawwr-whack-whack" anyway). The other four are all warriors (two babarians,a berserker and a fighter with a bow).

Still I find it hard to get used to have such a magic-poor party. Do any of you know any tactics when running a magic-poor party?

Warby · 09-18-2002, 03:01 PM

If possible ditch an orc and get Edwin in your group. You won't be able to fight certain creatures without the ability to remove their magic proection. Against a dragon you have little chance unless you reach a high group lvl. Even if you rely heavily on scrolls this will be expensive and limited.

Warby

Fiend · 09-18-2002, 03:02 PM

I would include 1 mage and 1 thief(both non-orc) and change thier appearance using shadowkeeper. U should always take a mage IMO

Indemaijinj · 09-18-2002, 03:08 PM

Kind of the idea with the party was that they were all to be half-orcs. Ditching one in order to bring in a mage would defeat the main idea and then I could just as well have played a normal game with the normal npc's.

Indemaijinj · 09-18-2002, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Warby:
If possible ditch an orc and get Edwin in your group. You won't be able to fight certain creatures without the ability to remove their magic proection. Against a dragon you have little chance unless you reach a high group lvl. Even if you rely heavily on scrolls this will be expensive and limited.

Warby

As they are all pretty "orky" they all have sucky intellegence/wisdom stats except the thief who have good intellenge/sucky wisdom and the priestess who have sucky intellegence/good wisdom, so scrolls and wands can't play a big role either.

One of my characters is handy with a bow though and there are those neat things called "Arrows of Dispelling", but you still can't rely too much on those as they are pretty damn rare. What do all you solo fighters do?

Sir Exxon · 09-18-2002, 03:19 PM

Running a non-magical party is tough, but not impossible. I've soloed pure Fighters some times myself, and all of them have made it to the end. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I used no real tactic, except always be on the look for magic-protective items. When there's a fight going on, I mainly use the Hack'n slash-teqnique. And I see that you have one Berserker, which is good. Put him in Enrage, and mages will cause you small problems.

I've soloed an Assassin once too, and he is really good against mages, backstabbing them all at one time. Thank god you usually only come across them one by one. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Indemaijinj · 09-18-2002, 03:41 PM

I would also guess that items such as Djinni Ring, Efreeti Bottle and Pai'na's pet spider are rather important since they give you access to a crucial resource: Summons!

[ 09-18-2002, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Indemaijinj ]

Thuram · 09-23-2002, 04:39 PM

I am soloing with a Monk. The summons are very important. I most of the occasions you don't need them if your fighter hack&slash well, but there will always be a situation where you need some additional distraction.

The Djinni is very usefull because he can cast stinking cloud. That gives you the opportunity to knock down a difficult opponent and attack him when he is defensiveless.

Also look for those items that either give you magical protection and/or let you cast spells. The potions are also very usefull giving you magical protections against fire, etc.

Finally the best protection of the enemy mages will wear down, it's just a question of time. Hence, see how you can survive that time (run away and come back later, get invisible (potions or hide in shadows) and run into a corner where he can't see you or use the cloak or sword that grants you indectability ...)

Indemaijinj · 09-23-2002, 04:51 PM

Oh thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] . I am just having trouble with Tolgerias and his assistant myself.

Can't bear them down in close combat like the other spellcasters.

AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe · 09-24-2002, 06:06 PM

the run away and let the spell protections fade tactic is pretty good. If they were all orcs i would say get carsomyr and beat some mage butt with that, but since that is out of the question, when you meet a mage runa away from him, and then rest until his spells are gone, then go back and whoop him. VERY cheesy but it works most of the time

09-18-2002, 02:55 PM	#1
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	Right now I am fooling around with a custom party made entirely from half-orcs. This means that I have no wizard capabilities at all. I wanted to make a real "orky" party so I only allowed myself the comfort of one single cleric of Talos as well as one swashbluckler (they're pretty "rawwr-whack-whack" anyway). The other four are all warriors (two babarians,a berserker and a fighter with a bow). Still I find it hard to get used to have such a magic-poor party. Do any of you know any tactics when running a magic-poor party? __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

09-18-2002, 03:02 PM	#3
Fiend Manshoon Join Date: July 7, 2002 Location: the land that time forgot(Scotland) Age: 38 Posts: 215	I would include 1 mage and 1 thief(both non-orc) and change thier appearance using shadowkeeper. U should always take a mage IMO __________________ <br />Demogorgan\'s Daddy <br />Bhaal\'s Personal Tormentor

09-18-2002, 03:08 PM	#4
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	Kind of the idea with the party was that they were all to be half-orcs. Ditching one in order to bring in a mage would defeat the main idea and then I could just as well have played a normal game with the normal npc's. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

09-18-2002, 03:41 PM	#7
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	I would also guess that items such as Djinni Ring, Efreeti Bottle and Pai'na's pet spider are rather important since they give you access to a crucial resource: Summons! [ 09-18-2002, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: Indemaijinj ] __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

09-23-2002, 04:51 PM	#9
Indemaijinj Symbol of Cyric Join Date: June 15, 2002 Location: Denmark Age: 44 Posts: 1,163	Oh thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] . I am just having trouble with Tolgerias and his assistant myself. Can't bear them down in close combat like the other spellcasters. __________________ The Bleak Caballero<br /><br />Proud and original member (and secret admirer) of the Pro-Mazzy movement.

09-18-2002, 03:01 PM	#2
Warby Zhentarim Guard Join Date: August 30, 2001 Location: England Age: 40 Posts: 345	If possible ditch an orc and get Edwin in your group. You won't be able to fight certain creatures without the ability to remove their magic proection. Against a dragon you have little chance unless you reach a high group lvl. Even if you rely heavily on scrolls this will be expensive and limited. Warby

09-18-2002, 03:19 PM	#6
Sir Exxon Zartan Join Date: October 15, 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 36 Posts: 5,367	Running a non-magical party is tough, but not impossible. I've soloed pure Fighters some times myself, and all of them have made it to the end. [img]smile.gif[/img] I used no real tactic, except always be on the look for magic-protective items. When there's a fight going on, I mainly use the Hack'n slash-teqnique. And I see that you have one Berserker, which is good. Put him in Enrage, and mages will cause you small problems. I've soloed an Assassin once too, and he is really good against mages, backstabbing them all at one time. Thank god you usually only come across them one by one. [img]smile.gif[/img]

09-23-2002, 04:39 PM	#8
Thuram Dungeon Master Join Date: September 6, 2002 Location: Spain Age: 52 Posts: 77	I am soloing with a Monk. The summons are very important. I most of the occasions you don't need them if your fighter hack&slash well, but there will always be a situation where you need some additional distraction. The Djinni is very usefull because he can cast stinking cloud. That gives you the opportunity to knock down a difficult opponent and attack him when he is defensiveless. Also look for those items that either give you magical protection and/or let you cast spells. The potions are also very usefull giving you magical protections against fire, etc. Finally the best protection of the enemy mages will wear down, it's just a question of time. Hence, see how you can survive that time (run away and come back later, get invisible (potions or hide in shadows) and run into a corner where he can't see you or use the cloak or sword that grants you indectability ...)

09-24-2002, 06:06 PM	#10
AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe Hathor Join Date: October 11, 2001 Location: At My Computer Age: 44 Posts: 2,217	the run away and let the spell protections fade tactic is pretty good. If they were all orcs i would say get carsomyr and beat some mage butt with that, but since that is out of the question, when you meet a mage runa away from him, and then rest until his spells are gone, then go back and whoop him. VERY cheesy but it works most of the time __________________ Now the swinging bridge<br />Is quieted with creepers. . . <br />Like our tendrilled life. -Basho

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