Debate about Socialist vs Capitalist in regards to crime

Harkoliar · 08-16-2004, 03:25 AM

This may be or may not be a touchy subject for you guys. If you guys may feel hot-headed about anything said, just cool off and dont read anymore. No flamebaiting and such as well as throwing tantrums.

Pls, this is just a debate and keep an open mind to it.

So here goes.

Basically, my friend and I were arguing about which is better. I know there are pro's and cons in every form of government. Now we started talking about the subject of crime. I know that a Capitalist country would have a higher crime rate than a socialist country would have because of the undesirable side effects of economics.

my uncle said that it is an "economics of crime" or was it "crime of economics" (I cant remember which)

So suffice to say that we got into abit of arguing. He wants me to prove my point with hard evidence. I have been searching around the web to prove my point. But im also interested in hearing your views about this matter.

Harkoliar · 08-16-2004, 03:45 AM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/266umtwb.asp

i found an article which rejects my ideas... ouch..

The Hierophant · 08-16-2004, 04:32 AM

what is crime?

Harkoliar · 08-16-2004, 05:35 AM

err.. crime is like criminal offense.. stealing, murder.. against the law basically.

The Hierophant · 08-16-2004, 05:50 AM

I see, so you're not a philosophy student then?

JrKASperov · 08-16-2004, 06:05 AM

While the American Enterprise Institute's John Lott has shown that greater gun ownership reduces crime

I wouldn't call this article trustworthy, if they state this...

Harkoliar · 08-16-2004, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Hierophant:
I see, so you're not a philosophy student then?

nope.. im curious why you thought of that

. I do like to dabble in a little philosophy discussions now and again.

Stratos · 08-16-2004, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Harkoliar:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/266umtwb.asp

i found an article which rejects my ideas... ouch..

This article is a comparison between American and European crime rates, not between capitalist and socialist countries. European countries are capitalist countries too.

Harkoliar · 08-16-2004, 07:56 AM

Really?? I was thinking of Norway and other Scandanavian Countries... I remember that they are Socialist countries. If Im wrong, can you tell me what country is one?

Gnarf · 08-16-2004, 07:57 AM

No countries are.

08-16-2004, 03:25 AM	#1
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 42 Posts: 5,556	This may be or may not be a touchy subject for you guys. If you guys may feel hot-headed about anything said, just cool off and dont read anymore. No flamebaiting and such as well as throwing tantrums. Pls, this is just a debate and keep an open mind to it. So here goes. Basically, my friend and I were arguing about which is better. I know there are pro's and cons in every form of government. Now we started talking about the subject of crime. I know that a Capitalist country would have a higher crime rate than a socialist country would have because of the undesirable side effects of economics. my uncle said that it is an "economics of crime" or was it "crime of economics" (I cant remember which) So suffice to say that we got into abit of arguing. He wants me to prove my point with hard evidence. I have been searching around the web to prove my point. But im also interested in hearing your views about this matter. __________________ Catch me if you can..

08-16-2004, 03:45 AM	#2
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 42 Posts: 5,556	http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...1/266umtwb.asp i found an article which rejects my ideas... ouch.. __________________ Catch me if you can..

08-16-2004, 04:32 AM	#3
The Hierophant Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: May 10, 2002 Location: Dunedin, New Zealand. Age: 43 Posts: 2,860	what is crime? __________________ [img]\"hosted/Hierophant.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Strewth!

08-16-2004, 05:35 AM	#4
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 42 Posts: 5,556	err.. crime is like criminal offense.. stealing, murder.. against the law basically. __________________ Catch me if you can..

08-16-2004, 05:50 AM	#5
The Hierophant Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: May 10, 2002 Location: Dunedin, New Zealand. Age: 43 Posts: 2,860	I see, so you're not a philosophy student then? __________________ [img]\"hosted/Hierophant.jpg\" alt=\" - \" /><br />Strewth!

08-16-2004, 06:05 AM	#6
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 39 Posts: 1,701	While the American Enterprise Institute's John Lott has shown that greater gun ownership reduces crime I wouldn't call this article trustworthy, if they state this... __________________ God is in the rain.

08-16-2004, 07:56 AM	#9
Harkoliar Jack Burton Join Date: March 21, 2001 Location: Philippines, but now Harbor City Sydney Age: 42 Posts: 5,556	Really?? I was thinking of Norway and other Scandanavian Countries... I remember that they are Socialist countries. If Im wrong, can you tell me what country is one? __________________ Catch me if you can..

08-16-2004, 07:57 AM	#10
Gnarf Emerald Dragon Join Date: February 6, 2003 Location: Norway Age: 40 Posts: 928	No countries are. __________________ I want a hippo.

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