Long war ahead

[pritchke]

You should never beat a woman, not even with a flower
-- Muhammad

How perverted the course of Islam has become, somewhat like Christianity in the guise of some money-hungry TV evangelists.

If Muhammad said this why do muslims stone there sisters for showing there face.
Interesting read.

http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnis...6/1616413.html

[ 06-06-2006, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

[shamrock_uk]

That's a nice little article, thanks for sharing

[Timber Loftis]

The problem is the men in these cultures have real issues with sex. Real, serious, psychotic issues.

All people through all time have struggled for power over one another, and it's always been hard to concede power.**** Half of the society, the males, are really fearful of women gaining power, and have over time set up these insane institutions in their culture to oppress women and make the men crazy afraid of them.


**** Footnote/tangent. This has generally been true, but not always. Caucasion males are the most notable example, as they have over the past century spent their time raising up others in power, and have made it anathema to even talk about helping each other. So, while the United Negro College Fund and the Jewish United Fund have the explicit purpose of helping out their demographic, to talk of providing assitance to fellow whites because they are white will get you ostracized and maybe even arrested.

[ZFR]

Originally posted by pritchke: You should never beat a woman, not even with a flower -- Muhammad

This was not said by Muhammed.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by ZFR: quote: Originally posted by pritchke: You should never beat a woman, not even with a flower -- Muhammad

This was not said by Muhammed. [/QUOTE]Oh?

Not a bad little piece laying into Iran and the distortionary impact of the male dominated society can be found here. I stumbled across this woman at uni and think she has a point or three.

Timber - I agree 100%. I think the sexual aspect of all this is often overlooked, but it's all seriously messed up over there.

I remember an eyewitness account of OBL (with all the usual caveats in reliability of course) saying that he once witnessed one of the females in his family not 'properly' garbed (but not indecent) and completely froze and was unable to function.

Repression of sexual desire strengthened by the desire to be devout...I guess we're been through that stage with Monks, but it's rather scary that whole regions are affected by this.

Having said that, I do know devout Muslims who, whilst being conservative, are certainly no more so than my grandparents for example. It's not a lost cause

[Timber Loftis]

The eyewitness account you refer to may have been the exwife of one of OBL's brothers. I saw an interview with her. The BL's are of course a large, wealthy, and generally worldly family. OBL's brother lived a more western lifestyle and his wife dressed western. Ossama would refuse to look at her, I recall her stating.

[Morgeruat]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles...le.asp?ID=5704

I found that to be an interesting read on muslim sexuality and the mentality engendered by the social and religious taboos...

“Sexual relations in Middle Eastern societies have historically articulated social hierarchies, that is, dominant and subordinate social positions: adult men on top; women, boys and slaves below (8).” A Moslem who is the active partner in sexual relations with other men is not considered a “homosexual” (the word has no pre-modern Arabic equivalent); quite the contrary, his sexual domination of another man may even confer a status of hyper-masculinity. He may use other men as substitutes for women, and at the same time have great contempt for them. This depraved view of sex, common in mainstream Moslem societies, is commonly found in the West only in prisons. In all cases it is the presence of love, affection, or equality among sexual partners that is intolerable. Equality in sexual relations is unimaginable in Islam, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Sex in Islamic societies has never been about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male’s achievement of pleasure through domination.

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: The eyewitness account you refer to may have been the exwife of one of OBL's brothers. I saw an interview with her. The BL's are of course a large, wealthy, and generally worldly family. OBL's brother lived a more western lifestyle and his wife dressed western. Ossama would refuse to look at her, I recall her stating.

I'm wondering if it was that Canadian Al-Qaeda one who they made a documentary about on PBS Frontline...either that, or perhaps you're right. It all blurs into one.

Given their attitude towards sex etc, it does raise the amusing question whether a Muslim can ever be a hippy [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[shamrock_uk]

Originally posted by Morgeruat: A Moslem who is the active partner in sexual relations with other men is not considered a “homosexual” (the word has no pre-modern Arabic equivalent); quite the contrary, his sexual domination of another man may even confer a status of hyper-masculinity. He may use other men as substitutes for women, and at the same time have great contempt for them. This depraved view of sex, common in mainstream Moslem societies, is commonly found in the West only in prisons. In all cases it is the presence of love, affection, or equality among sexual partners that is intolerable. Equality in sexual relations is unimaginable in Islam, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Sex in Islamic societies has never been about mutuality between partners, but about the adult male’s achievement of pleasure through domination.

[/QUOTE]


Hmmm.....

You know, two or three hundred years ago, I know this was the case. Napolean's forces in Egypt and surrounding area noted this on many occasions for example. Mostly in relation to captured men and older boys it has to be said though, rather than 'normal' sexual relations - they did have hareems after all

However, if I had to pick one phrase to describe attitudes today towards gays today, admittedly only based on news reports of the treatment received as punishment, I would say "rabidly homophobic" describes their attitude better...the article almost seems to imply a state of respect from this hyper masculinity.

I don't know...it just all sounds a bit too much like Freud. I just don't buy into any of that "hard-core psychotic homosexuality of the son abandoned by his father" nonsense - I really can't take it seriously.

[pritchke]

How did this topic go off talking about gay sex? well the terrorist were talking about cutting of the PMs head and they did not specify. OK bad joke .

[ 06-07-2006, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]