A Member is banned.

10-24-2001, 01:21 AM

Diogenes Of Pumpkintown has been Banned indefinitely.

He has emailed me with this:
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"How nice of you to make yourself look great publicly by saying this:

"As YOU know, me and others misinterpreted his post, and I personally apologized to him."

and locking the thread so no one could point out how lame your so-called apology really was."
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I have put up with his arrogance for far too long, and that email is the last straw. I just wanted you to see this, so you will understand why he won't be posting for the foreseeable future.

Also, when I apologize to someone (Mark, i.e. Skywalker), I MEAN it.

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Ziroc™
Ironworks Webmaster
www.tgeweb.com/ironworks

[This message has been edited by Ziroc (edited 10-24-2001).]

Cloudbringer · 10-24-2001, 01:25 AM

Z? Maybe I'm out of line, but I know Diogenese has been as stressed as any of us these days and I wonder if he just hit that send button before thinking it out.

Fwiw.. I'd like to put in a good word for him and hope he can come back soon.

Cloudy

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Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan
CloudDragon of the OHF
Storm-Queen
Raven's Cloud
StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever
"To sleep, perchance to dream..."

Liliara · 10-24-2001, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cloudbringer:
Z? Maybe I'm out of line, but I know Diogenese has been as stressed as any of us these days and I wonder if he just hit that send button before thinking it out.

Fwiw.. I'd like to put in a good word for him and hope he can come back soon.

Cloudy

I'm sure that if Dio feels he was mistaken, he will write Ziroc with an email that is much different than the last one he sent.

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Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar

LH Member

"I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

Liliara · 10-24-2001, 01:44 AM

I don't want anyone to think that I am happy that Dio is gone.Although we didn't get along, I would rather see everyone stay. But when you send an email THAT insulting to the webmaster of the board you are on, it shows how little respect you have.

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Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar

LH Member

"I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

Lifetime · 10-24-2001, 01:54 AM

Whats up with that.. must have been bad. Too many people are getting banned lately.. I think there has been more bans in the last 2 months than there have been in..I dont know a year since I got here.

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No-Name Face

250 · 10-24-2001, 02:46 AM

people, we only see one side of the coin here. I'd rather leave the whole thing alone and let Ziroc and Dio deal with it. not that I don't care, we really will only add more complexity. so:

"Butt out people!"

---------- Ken of Teambg, 2001 May

Memnoch · 10-24-2001, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 250:
people, we only see one side of the coin here. I'd rather leave the whole thing alone and let Ziroc and Dio deal with it. not that I don't care, we really will only add more complexity. so:

"Butt out people!"

---------- Ken of Teambg, 2001 May

Don't know what happened with Dio as I'm a victim of timezones yet again, but what Confucius-deux-cent-cinquante said is very wise. Follow his example!

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Yorick · 10-24-2001, 04:56 AM

Dio, Dio, Dio. Why did you go and do that?

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Silver Cheetah · 10-24-2001, 08:40 AM

I wish to formally protest at the banning of Diogenes from this forum.

Firstly, I was not aware that one could be banned for the content of an email. Time and again I have seen the mods post, - if you have a beef, take it up privately with the mods/Ziroc, by email. Dio did this. Why was he banned from the forum for a point made off the forum?

Secondly, if we are to talk about arrogance, I have seen a tidy bit of it displayed here since September 11th, by myself as well as by others. Very few of us posting on the war forum are innocent. If we are to talk about degrees of arrogance, Diogenes is far less so than many others here, the most extreme of whom assume (it is implicit in their posts) that their viewpoint is 'right' and the rest of us are 'trolls' who should be buried in the nearest deep hole (together with our opinions....) There was a recent mail from J.J. to Ziroc on this very subject.... which I can go off and find should anyone be interested....)

What is bothering me here is that Dio is banned, and others, who have done exactly the same things, are not. Memnoch has already called me on my calling the integrity of the moderators into question. I called Ziroc's integrity into question, - no one else's. The reason I did this is, as I have said already, that I perceive that people who are anti-war (or at least not firmly pro) or anti-christian (or again, at least not firmly pro) are treated differently than those who share views with Ziroc.

This is Ziroc's board, and he can do as he likes. Well, he has. I for one am very very unhappy about what has happened, both with Dio and with Tracey. I have loved posting here for many months now, perceiving it as a place where I could come with my views, and debate and play with others of like and unlike mind, until recently.

I'm getting so I'm scared to open my mouth - the reason being NOT that I want to flame, - I do not - but that because views different to mine are somehow perceived as being closer to the 'truth', with people seeming to feel they are somehow justified in wording these views (i.e. pro-war) more strongly, and defending them in ways that are often actively unpleasant - they feel that because they have 'right' on their side, (only *their* opinion, I hasten to add)they are justified. Snide and patronising comments are often clothed in a fake and insincere 'sweetness', or presented in a world weary, 'isn't this obvious? Sigh' kind of way, as though dissenters to the popular view are children who just cannot manage to engage with a point. Any 'anti' replies that are made to such posts, which may be similar in tone to the posts replied to are then jumped on, very often. (Apologies for the generalising here... but I'm trying to make a point, and if I go into all instances, this post will be three pages long at least...)

I would email this to Ziroc and Memnoch, but after what happened to Dio, don't really see the point. So I've posted this in open forum, so everyone can see where I'm coming from....

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Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati

[This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-24-2001).]

250 · 10-24-2001, 08:49 AM

you are a terroist

what? did I say something wrong? it is my OPINION?? WOW, wait a second here, cannot I express my opinions??

Jesus, man, YOUR OPNION doesnt give you the right to throw it freely. sometimes you KNOW it'd hurt other people, so don't say it, or think twice and word it carefully

This matter is between Dio and Ziroc, the two of them know the problem better than anyone else. so butt out

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10-24-2001, 01:21 AM	#1
Ziroc Guest Posts: n/a	Diogenes Of Pumpkintown has been Banned indefinitely. He has emailed me with this: --------------------- "How nice of you to make yourself look great publicly by saying this: "As YOU know, me and others misinterpreted his post, and I personally apologized to him." and locking the thread so no one could point out how lame your so-called apology really was." --------------------- I have put up with his arrogance for far too long, and that email is the last straw. I just wanted you to see this, so you will understand why he won't be posting for the foreseeable future. Also, when I apologize to someone (Mark, i.e. Skywalker), I MEAN it. ------------------ Ziroc™ Ironworks Webmaster www.tgeweb.com/ironworks [This message has been edited by Ziroc (edited 10-24-2001).]

10-24-2001, 01:25 AM	#2
Cloudbringer Ironworks Moderator Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Upstate NY USA Posts: 19,737	Z? Maybe I'm out of line, but I know Diogenese has been as stressed as any of us these days and I wonder if he just hit that send button before thinking it out. Fwiw.. I'd like to put in a good word for him and hope he can come back soon. Cloudy ------------------ Raindancer of the Laughing Hyenas Clan CloudDragon of the OHF Storm-Queen Raven's Cloud StormCloud of the Black Knight: Heart Mind Soul Forever "To sleep, perchance to dream..."

10-24-2001, 01:44 AM	#4
Liliara Red Wizard of Thay Join Date: August 17, 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 874	I don't want anyone to think that I am happy that Dio is gone.Although we didn't get along, I would rather see everyone stay. But when you send an email THAT insulting to the webmaster of the board you are on, it shows how little respect you have. ------------------ Captain of Bouncers, Boogre Bar LH Member "I've had it up to here, listening to a small segment of people try to put down America! America's the greatest land on Earth, and we oughta be proud of what we have! I'm proud of America, I'm proud of our people, and I'm gonna prove it. We're American and DAMN proud of it! Frankly I'm getting a little ticked off...go ta ****"... Dink (if anyone knows who originally said this, please let me know!)

10-24-2001, 01:54 AM	#5
Lifetime Red Dragon Join Date: March 3, 2001 Location: Scotch College, Melbourne Posts: 1,503	Whats up with that.. must have been bad. Too many people are getting banned lately.. I think there has been more bans in the last 2 months than there have been in..I dont know a year since I got here. ------------------ No-Name Face

10-24-2001, 02:46 AM	#6
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	people, we only see one side of the coin here. I'd rather leave the whole thing alone and let Ziroc and Dio deal with it. not that I don't care, we really will only add more complexity. so: "Butt out people!" ---------- Ken of Teambg, 2001 May

10-24-2001, 04:56 AM	#8
Yorick Very Mad Bird Join Date: January 7, 2001 Location: Breukelen (over the river from New Amsterdam) Age: 53 Posts: 9,246	Dio, Dio, Dio. Why did you go and do that? ------------------

10-24-2001, 08:40 AM	#9
Silver Cheetah Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 26, 2001 Location: Brighton, East Sussex, UK Posts: 1,781	I wish to formally protest at the banning of Diogenes from this forum. Firstly, I was not aware that one could be banned for the content of an email. Time and again I have seen the mods post, - if you have a beef, take it up privately with the mods/Ziroc, by email. Dio did this. Why was he banned from the forum for a point made off the forum? Secondly, if we are to talk about arrogance, I have seen a tidy bit of it displayed here since September 11th, by myself as well as by others. Very few of us posting on the war forum are innocent. If we are to talk about degrees of arrogance, Diogenes is far less so than many others here, the most extreme of whom assume (it is implicit in their posts) that their viewpoint is 'right' and the rest of us are 'trolls' who should be buried in the nearest deep hole (together with our opinions....) There was a recent mail from J.J. to Ziroc on this very subject.... which I can go off and find should anyone be interested....) What is bothering me here is that Dio is banned, and others, who have done exactly the same things, are not. Memnoch has already called me on my calling the integrity of the moderators into question. I called Ziroc's integrity into question, - no one else's. The reason I did this is, as I have said already, that I perceive that people who are anti-war (or at least not firmly pro) or anti-christian (or again, at least not firmly pro) are treated differently than those who share views with Ziroc. This is Ziroc's board, and he can do as he likes. Well, he has. I for one am very very unhappy about what has happened, both with Dio and with Tracey. I have loved posting here for many months now, perceiving it as a place where I could come with my views, and debate and play with others of like and unlike mind, until recently. I'm getting so I'm scared to open my mouth - the reason being NOT that I want to flame, - I do not - but that because views different to mine are somehow perceived as being closer to the 'truth', with people seeming to feel they are somehow justified in wording these views (i.e. pro-war) more strongly, and defending them in ways that are often actively unpleasant - they feel that because they have 'right' on their side, (only their opinion, I hasten to add)they are justified. Snide and patronising comments are often clothed in a fake and insincere 'sweetness', or presented in a world weary, 'isn't this obvious? Sigh' kind of way, as though dissenters to the popular view are children who just cannot manage to engage with a point. Any 'anti' replies that are made to such posts, which may be similar in tone to the posts replied to are then jumped on, very often. (Apologies for the generalising here... but I'm trying to make a point, and if I go into all instances, this post will be three pages long at least...) I would email this to Ziroc and Memnoch, but after what happened to Dio, don't really see the point. So I've posted this in open forum, so everyone can see where I'm coming from.... ------------------ Most Ecstatic and Exotic Mistress of the Illuminati [This message has been edited by Silver Cheetah (edited 10-24-2001).]

10-24-2001, 08:49 AM	#10
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	you are a terroist what? did I say something wrong? it is my OPINION?? WOW, wait a second here, cannot I express my opinions?? Jesus, man, YOUR OPNION doesnt give you the right to throw it freely. sometimes you KNOW it'd hurt other people, so don't say it, or think twice and word it carefully This matter is between Dio and Ziroc, the two of them know the problem better than anyone else. so butt out

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