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40th Level Warrior
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Memnoch, I respected you until your last post in the Part I thread regarding this issue. I don't like being called out as not acting like an adult. I responded to quite inflamatory remarks regarding my threads with calmness and candor, yet you called me out as not being "mature." I want to point out that you are wrong, first of all. I tried my best to support my postion without being too harsh. I tried to make arguments in the most salient fashion. Lumping me in with the immatue crowd is wrong, at best, and silly at worst.
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Memnoch will respond to a PM dude - I suggest that you use that forum for the advancement of your cause. If you feel the need to clear the air then use the right approach. I predict this thread will descend at a similar rate and be closed before long, so I suggest you try the alternate method.
(PS - I didn't read the other thread, and I am not judging anyone - just pointing to a more appropriate means).
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Timber, starting an open debate on a closed thread was unwise. The last one was locked for a good reason. As I said in the last one, I'm not interested in listening to your - or anyone else's - justifications, apportioning of blame/fault, excuses, fingerpointing, etc. in this particular case. The bottom line is we had another thread closed because of a bunch of people acting like pork chops - you, Chewy and Cerek in that particular thread. Whether or not you were less or more to blame, I don't care - you contributed to the deterioration as far as I am concerned. Sadly, in your indignation at being named, you appear to have missed the entire point of my post - all of you are COLLECTIVELY contributing to the deterioration in standards of this forum with your behaviour, and I've had enough of the fingerpointing and the lack of acceptance of shared responsibility for this.
And it hasn't been just that thread - watching that one go downhill was an inevitable conclusion to the exercising of a set of behaviours from everyone here who is a regular in this particular forum. YOUR inflammatory titled terrorist post STARTED all this, so don't start taking the moral high ground about responding calmly to provocative posts from others. We let you go on it (mainly because it wasn't noticed until it was well underway, and also because you didn't actually name anyone) but for you to go on and admit that was your entire purpose - to use an inflammatory title to provoke a whole bunch of flames - is unacceptable. I agree with you that people need to have thicker skins but that doesn't give us the excuse to piss people off for the express purpose of "calling them out" or eliciting an emotional response, just because you feel it's been done to you by Skunk or anyone else. For the record, I (as well as Z or the rest of the mod team) don't believe anyone in this CE forum currently has the maturity to manage a fiery debate and resolve differences without external assistance, and without carrying the grudges into subsequent/future posts. When I see provocative posts like your last post in your terrorism thread ... Quote:
I've got a suggestion for you, Timber. Rather than expressing indignation and offence at my comments, re-read all your posts here in the last few months, with the eyes of a neutral outsider (or maybe with the eyes of someone who's never been to IW), and try and see if you can find the reason why I lumped you with the "immature crowd" that you consider yourself above. Do this HONESTLY, with no bias, with the eyes of a newcomer. Then when you've done this you are welcome to PM me with your thoughts, and I will respond. Until you do that I'm not prepared to debate this with you (don't take my leaving the thread open as an invitation to do that). [ 06-23-2004, 11:53 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
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Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice
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It was difficult to admit that but I felt I had to be honost with myself and the other members. The thing that really hurts me is that I had publicly stated I was going to be making a conscious effort to return to my former, CALMER self and try not to get so upset at posts here anymore. An example of that renewed effort occurred yesterday when a post that would have angered me in the past led to no hurt feelings by me or the other poster, but we both apologized to the other anyway just to make sure there were no hard feeling. In the previous thread, Chewbacca and I weren't really even arguing. He pointed out a position he has stated often on something he found offensive, and I pointed out that certain comments he had made in the past could also be considered offensive - even though I knew they weren't meant to be. Still, I was going to make a conciliatory post to him before emotions DID get heated - but Larry closed the thread before I had a chance to do that. I just read your final comments after his closing of the thread today. That post, coupled with this one, is a spit in the face to me after I have acknowledged I was guilty of contributing to the "deteriotion of this forum" and made a public commitment to change. I've had some ugly things said to me by members during my 2 years at IW, but this is the deepest I've actually been hurt by anything said here.
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So were you Goaded into deteriorating this forum Cerek? The King Goader wants to know ![]() |
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Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice
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Memnoch's words stung and I felt that part of what was said was unfair, but I'm over it and ready to move on.
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Memnoch's words stung and I felt that part of what was said was unfair, but I'm over it and ready to move on. [/QUOTE]There you go Brother [img]smile.gif[/img] Credit to whom credit is do. [img]smile.gif[/img]
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Memnoch's words stung and I felt that part of what was said was unfair, but I'm over it and ready to move on. [/QUOTE]G'day Cerek. I expected some offence to be taken to my comments as I'm sure they sounded harsh, but they needed to be said, unfortunately. People can take my comments positively or negatively. We've all known each other for a little while now, and you know that I'm one of the most laid-back blokes around. I don't like giving people a serve just for the sake of it, but you all really did need what we in OZ call a "rocket up your bums", because some of the behaviour in here - the flamebaiting, the bitching, the animosity, the stubborness, all of it was getting to silly proportions. I hope the words I said were not simply taken offence at, but instead were taken in the spirit in which I said them. For the record, I did see your post earlier, and I don't doubt your sincerity, but right now all they are are words, Cerek. Actions speak louder than words to me - and it takes time for a behavioural change to be seen by others. But I'm pleased you did come to that realisation - now I expect you to do as you say. If you've already started on that path then what I've said should only be a confirmation of what you've already come up with on your own, and you're a step ahead of the others. Now I expect you to do as you say, and possibly set an example to the rest of the guys in taking ownership and taking responsibility for the culture in here. Good luck with it mate. Cheers. [img]smile.gif[/img] [ 06-24-2004, 05:36 AM: Message edited by: Memnoch ] |
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As an infrequent and completely impartial poster (I approach a topic from the point of view that I am correct and can't figure out why others don't agree [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] [img]tongue.gif[/img] ), I will state where I see this forum heading.
This particular forum is the one I view first, because I really like a juicy discussion of the current goings-on in the world. True, I don't reply to all threads because not all threads catch my interest; likewise, I have started several threads about topics in which I am interested but those quickly fall into obscurity. *shrug* Oh, well. I have seen people get really petty, snotty, or whatever you wish to call it in some threads. However, I have seen those same people turn around and really contribute something constructive in other threads. Sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I don't. I ignore the name calling and the rougher language (which has never yet been directed at me personally) because one insult disarms anything else someone might have said, no matter how accurate or insightful. Occasionally, I have patted someone on the head (which I'm sure is taken as inflammatory), but that is about as far as I'll go. When I receive an insult I ignore it as if it never happened because I am in control of my own actions and reactions. Enough about me. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img] This thread represents the First Amendment right in its probably its most pure form, because with only a few restrictions--none of which are as restrictive as real-world First Amendment limits--we may speak our minds on any topic without fear of reprisal. If more people would frequent a forum such as this one then more people would become more informed, which benefits everyone. Apparently, we've had a hiccup here lately. So what? That happenes every now and then. It's like being at a family gathering--there are relatives you enjoy seeing and relative you'd rather not see, but in the end you're all still family, like it or not. The overall maturity level here is high enough to weather this particular thunderstorm. Actions always speak more loudly than words (even though words and actions are equivalent here, but that is a philosophical discussion for another day), thus how one weathers the storm bespeaks one's character. I see a lot of people here with a lot of character, even the ones with whom I normally disagree. In short, this forum isn't "coming to" anything, just having a normal spat like in any relationship. By the way, you're sleeping on the couch. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Azred pats everyone on thier heads. [img]graemlins/petard.gif[/img]
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ROTFL Well said Sir Azred! ![]() |
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