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Old 01-18-2004, 02:41 PM   #1
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JERUSALEM - Psychic Uri Geller defended his friend Michael Jackson (news) on Sunday, saying the pop singer denied under hypnosis three years ago that he had sexually abused children.


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Geller, best known for his claimed telekinetic ability to bend spoons, told Israel's Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording studio at an undisclosed location.


The hypnosis would have taken place before Jackson is alleged to have molested a cancer-stricken boy invited to his Neverland Ranch.


"I told him that that if he would let me, I would hypnotize him," Geller told the radio. "He said, 'Okay, let's give it a try.'"


He said he asked Jackson about persistent rumors that he had abused children.


"He answered me under deep hypnosis that he had never touched a child in a sexual way," Geller said. "He said — and here I'm using his exact words — 'My relations with children are very beautiful.'"


Geller said he was convinced Jackson was telling him the truth.


"I'm a good hypnotist, and I know who is trying to mislead me ... " he said. "I can see straight into the subject's eyes ... (Jackson) didn't fool me, I'm absolutely sure of it."


Geller said he did not seek Jackson's permission to ask about the abuse allegations during the hypnosis, but that he posed the question because he was about to introduce Jackson to his family and wanted to be sure the singer was innocent.


Geller was born and raised in Israel and has lived in Europe since 1972.


Jackson faces seven counts alleging lewd or lascivious acts upon a child under 14 and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent. He has pleaded innocent.


This is possibly the most idiotic addition to the jackson child molestation case i've ever seen. First off, hynotism doesn't make ANYONE do anything they don't want to do, all it does is make you feel more open to suggestion, you still have complete and absolute control over your body and if you want to lie about something, especially about something that can put you in jail you most definately will be capable of doing so. Even worse this is done by a quack, Urio Gellar, who happens to call himself a psychic and does the parlor trick of bending spoons with his mind. He also sued nintendo because he thought the indescribable sound that a pokemon made was saying his name. (I can't even use onomatipea to describe the sound they make on the gameboy, how the hell do you get a name out of it)
If anything its an insult to the entire practice of hypnotism and psychology to even put this in the case. This is possibly the flimsiest weakest defense ever created, even worse than "temporary insanity." Now we have "innocence through hypnotic suggestion" I definately hope the prosecution gets a real psychologist to talk about this stupidity if its even worth their time. I don't know for certain whether Jackson is guilty or innocent but I sure as hell know anyone who comes up with such a pathetic defense will not gain my support.
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Old 01-19-2004, 06:44 AM   #2
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That's saved the cost of a trial then!
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Old 01-19-2004, 07:19 AM   #3
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It still doesn't explain whether he had molested children in the last three years.
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:10 AM   #4
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I having trouble keeping the real news papers and the tabloids separate these days. Didn't I read the MJ was abducted and that brain scans determined he'd never molested children? Plush toys and chimpanzees, yes, but never children.
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:10 AM   #5
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Hey, MJ, if you go to jail, can I have ownership of all the Beatles music?
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Old 01-19-2004, 11:38 AM   #6
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Geller, best known for his claimed telekinetic ability to bend spoons, told Israel's Army Radio that he hypnotized Jackson when the two were alone in a recording studio at an undisclosed location.
So Mr. Geller - a self-proclaimed hypnotist and telekinetic - conducted an unsupervisod, hypnotic interrogation at an undisclosed location with no witnesses available to record the details.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....I hope Uri will forgive me if I don't simply take his word for Michael Jackson's innocence.

Besides, I happen to know (through inter-faith bulletins) that Michael Jackson actually confessed his sins to a priest in order to clear his conscious. This information was distributed to our church from the Southern Baptist Association who had recieved the information from the Bishop of the church where Jackson made his confession. The information was released in response to a request from the S.B.A. asking the Catholic church what their stance on the Michael Jackson case was.

While the church could not provide the actual time or location of the confession, nor release the name of the priest who actually heard the confession (because of ethical restrictions), they did confirm that Michael Jackson was - indeed - "guilty as sin" and that all churches of all denominations should be deeply in prayer that he would come forward on his own to answer the charges made against him. The church also added that - when someone makes a confession of sin - they are under conviction from the Holy Spirit - therefore, they are incapable of lying about their actions.

So - you see - there really can be no doubt as to MJ's guilt.

Awww, c'mon now, my story sounded just as convincing as Uri's....didn't it?
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Old 01-19-2004, 01:51 PM   #7
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Awww, c'mon now, my story sounded just as convincing as Uri's....didn't it?
Yup

arnt confessions supposed to be confidential though?

personally they both sound as weak as a woolen bungie cord, but still, maybe some use can be gained from it. maybe if MJ is re-hypnotysed by a professional in proper conditions, it may be acceptable. to tell the truth i dont thing anyone is going to stop 'searching for the truth' untill a guilty verdict is heard. . well there is justice for ya
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Old 01-19-2004, 02:04 PM   #8
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Awww, c'mon now, my story sounded just as convincing as Uri's....didn't it?
Yup

arnt confessions supposed to be confidential though?

personally they both sound as weak as a woolen bungie cord, but still, maybe some use can be gained from it. maybe if MJ is re-hypnotysed by a professional in proper conditions, it may be acceptable. to tell the truth i dont thing anyone is going to stop 'searching for the truth' untill a guilty verdict is heard. . well there is justice for ya
[/QUOTE]LOL....yes, confessions ARE confidential. Even if they weren't, I seriously doubt the Catholic church would actually share any info with the Southern Baptist Association. [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/laugh2.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/biglaugh.gif[/img]

I do hope that the "real truth" regarding this case is brought to light - whether it's guilt or innocence. Right now, I am undecided. I think Michael Jackson has had - and continues to have improper contact with children. I am not comforted by his assurance that his relationship with the children is a "beautiful thing", because a pedophile doesn't see anything wrong with their actions.

However, some serious concerns have been raised about the mother and her past habits of taking companies to court. She has a history of trying to sue companies for money and has been moderately successful at it.

I also agree that the prosecuter in this case seems to have a personal vendetta against MJ, and that may come back to harm his case. It certainly makes me uncomfortable about the lengths he will go to in order to prove Jackson guilty.

I do look forward to the trial, because I am sincerely interested in hearing BOTH sides of this story and seeing what kind of evidence the police have found to implicate Jackson this time.
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Old 01-19-2004, 06:58 PM   #9
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Wow! One whacked out nut job defending another. And I might be wrong on this, but isn't it possible to lie while under mypnosis?
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Old 01-20-2004, 01:03 PM   #10
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Wow! One whacked out nut job defending another. And I might be wrong on this, but isn't it possible to lie while under mypnosis?
I don't really know how / if hypnosis works, but what happens if you believe a lie? I mean, for example, if MJ really did molest the child (I'm not saying he did) but he himself truly believed that what he did wasn't molesting, what would he say under hypnosis?

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