Wesley Clark vs Fox news

[Rokenn]

Worth a listen:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player...raight&wvx-300

[Ronn_Bman]

Bah! Everyone knows nothing on Fox is worth watching. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 11-19-2003, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Maelakin]

Hmm, I love the Simpson's!!

Maybe you don't watch enough Fox!

[Ronn_Bman]

Maybe I should have clarified my reference as being to the 'Fox News Network'. Everyone here knows that nothing, absolutely nothing, they air has any legitimacy. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[khazadman]

What, Fox is bad because they ask the questions that the other news outlets don't have the balls to ask? You should be mad at the others who give the dems a pass on so many of the questionable things they do.

[Pikachu_PM]

Ummm....Khazadaman, while news agencies as a whole do tend to lean towards the left, there is general agreement by most people (dems and Reps alike)that they are very unbiased in their reportaing.

Fox news, on the other hand, is EXTREMELY biased towards the right. More worrisome, is that they market themselves on the idea that they are the only non-biased news station---its a load of garbage. It's not that the ask the tough quesionts, its that they manipulate the facts and screen the news reels in such a manner as to express a one sided opinion

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: while news agencies as a whole do tend to lean towards the left, there is general agreement by most people (dems and Reps alike)that they are very unbiased in their reportaing.

Not true, while most people do recognize that the traditional US news media leans to the left, the overwhelming majority of those who believe the media leans to the left but is still very unbiased in it's reporting are very much on the left themselves.

After all, you can't lean either way and still be unbiased. That doesn't mean individuals working for the media can't have their own leanings, but it does mean they can't show it. If leaning is recognized, then the reporting cannot be unbiased.

EDIT - While I recognize that Fox is biased, my initial response in this thread was sarcastic. Unsuccessfully so obviously, but sarcastic none the less.

[ 11-21-2003, 10:13 AM: Message edited by: Ronn_Bman ]

[Pikachu_PM]

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: quote: Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: while news agencies as a whole do tend to lean towards the left, there is general agreement by most people (dems and Reps alike)that they are very unbiased in their reportaing.

Not true, while most people do recognize that the traditional US news media leans to the left, the overwhelming majority of those who believe the media leans to the left but is still very unbiased in it's reporting are very much on the left themselves.

After all, you can't lean either way and still be unbiased. That doesn't mean individuals working for the media can't have their own leanings, but it does mean they can't show it. If leaning is recognized, then the reporting cannot be unbiased.

EDIT - While I recognize that Fox is biased, my initial response in this thread was sarcastic. Unsuccessfully so obviously, but sarcastic none the less. [/QUOTE]Don't take this the wrong way, but now you're just irritating me. Every opinion ever made by anybody is biased. No news station, tv show, speech, journal, or conversation between two people can be made with complete unbias. There is a difference, however, between being bias and being maniupulative. More to the point, the degrees of biasness are quite relative...traditional news shows may be biased...but they make an honest attempt not to be--and do so quite well according to the majority of Americans.

The reason you are irritating me is two fold. (a) you seem to disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing and (b) by your statements you seem to be suggesting that it is ok for FOX to broadcast 'no spin' news without any regard for the truth because the other news agencies lean a bit to the left. It's not that FOX leans to the right, its that FOX is so far on one side of the rainbow that the color purple is starting to hit the ultra violet spectrum.

Believe it or not, i am a Republican at heart (when it comes to Economic theory, not moral values and the 'actual' republican economic policies) and what forever keeps me from voting that way is the incesent manipulation of the average American by the party. FOX news is just one example of an epidemic in American society where a political party takes advantage of the idiots and pats themselves on the back for a game well played.

I was a young republican in college my first semester...I switched to a young democrat when the leadership of the young republicans held strategy sessions on ways to keep down the black and gay votes on campus and villainize rival student body members by intentionally and recklessly qouting them out of context---and it was nothing but a stupid student body elections!!!!

There are only two kinds of people who vote consitantly Republican--really rich people, and really stupid people.

What angers me about the republicans (in general) isn't there policies, it's the manner in which they enact such policies---by decieving the public.

*Disclaimer--this is a biased opinion...intentially generalized to state a point and invoke commentary---I do recognize that there are many wonderful and honest Republican Reprentatives and leaders whom I hold in the highest of regard.

[ 11-21-2003, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: Pikachu_PM ]

[Maelakin]

Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: More to the point, the degrees of biasness are quite relative...traditional news shows may be biased...but they make an honest attempt not to be--and do so quite well according to the majority of Americans.

Do you have any proof to present backing your argument that the majority of Americans believe the media is trying to be honest? Most people I personally know believe the media to only present topics in a one sided manner to sway public opinion.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Pikachu_PM: Don't take this the wrong way, but now you're just irritating me...

I must say the irritation isn't mutual. It doesn't bother me at all to have to tell you when you're being arrogant on a level that is asinine. In this and ever other thread I've ever seen you involved in, you become irritated at those who disagree and refuse to see your logic as the only correct view. In addition, you like to go out and speculate on the statements of others and randomly assign meanings to them that fit your ideals of their wrong-ness. That's not the way it works.

This is a discussion board, so you'll really need to get used to the 'discussion' part of it, or you're wasting your time here because if you're just looking to have people accept your view on things, you've hooked up with the wrong group and there is much irritation in your future.

There are only two kinds of people who vote constantly Republican--really rich people, and really stupid people.

This statement is stupid. Complete and utter BS.