on the subject of traps

deverece · 03-16-2001, 03:33 AM

I thought the whole purpose of the game was to beat it. The people who say traps make the fight too easy obviously have lost touch with reality. This esoteric argument is based on the fact that these 'purists' are cheating by saving before fighting. Try not saving all day, THEN fight a dragon. I would imagine the thought of losing so many hours of playtime over and over would greatly influence their opinion of an 'easy' win using traps.

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Dying ain't much of a living, boy.
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Moiraine · 03-16-2001, 06:13 AM

I agree, Deverece ! Traps are a Thief's way to deal with monsters, as much as attacking is a Fighter's way. It is part of the game.

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Charean · 03-16-2001, 12:17 PM

Moiraine has the right of it - heck, if I can get better at setting those things up, I will have to try it... it beats the heck out of resurrecting myself on a regular basis...

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Goodness knows there is a lot of Dark out there!! - Where are my matches?

MILAMBER · 03-16-2001, 03:47 PM

I agree that traps aren't cheating, but I think that the arguement being made by the other side is that setting traps around a dragon with him watching you and not doing anything about it is cheating. They would argue that it is unrealistic for a dragon to just sit there and watch a thief set traps right around him.

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250 · 03-16-2001, 03:51 PM

why is it not realistic?
if the dragon can think for himself, then...

but there isn't a dragon, so it doesnt matter if the dragon can think for himself or not.
since it doesnt matter the dragon cannot think for himself, it doesn't matter what the thief does.
if what the thief does does not matter, then it does not matter if it is cheating or not.
if it does not matter it is cheating or not, it does not matter if you care or not
if it does not matter you care or not, it does not matter ...

lol

Fljotsdale · 03-16-2001, 04:01 PM

Now gobble up your own tail, Elminster, lol! Besides, the argument is based on a false premise! There IS a dragon just as much as there IS a Thief. The fact that both are made of pixels is beside the point!
It follows that it is unrealistic for the dragon - the wisest of creatures - to not notice trap-setting under its nose!

F.

250 · 03-16-2001, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fljotsdale:
Now gobble up your own tail, Elminster, lol! Besides, the argument is based on a false premise! There IS a dragon just as much as there IS a Thief. The fact that both are made of pixels is beside the point!
It follows that it is unrealistic for the dragon - the wisest of creatures - to not notice trap-setting under its nose!
F.

maybe he is not so wise, or maybe he never saw ... YES I GOT IT!!

you see, the dragon is so mighty, NONE dared to try and set traps in front of him. but this thief of yours is so smarty, he knew the dragon doesn't know what traps are, so he set them in front him hoping the dragon does not have a clue.

daring, but TRICKY!!!

Fljotsdale · 03-16-2001, 04:18 PM

ROFL!! Ok, ok, you win, you made me laugh!

F.

Moiraine · 03-16-2001, 04:18 PM

If the Dragon does not notice you setting traps right under his nose, that's his problem, not yours ...

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MILAMBER · 03-16-2001, 05:30 PM

Yes, I guess it is the dragons problem and not mine. I suppose that if I used cheat codes, that would also be the dragons problem and not mine.

BGII is modeled after D&D - Correct?

In D&D there is a DM - Correct?
BGII has a computer playing the roll of DM

I propose that a human DM would not allow a thief to set traps around a dragon without some retribution from the dragon. The reason the DM would do this is because if the dragon did nothing, it would be unrealistic.

It can be argued that the dragons in the game observe very little in common with the awe inspiring dragons in the Forgotten realms books, but I don't think that anyone would say that a dragon is blind or stupid.

I don't honestly think that it is cheating to use traps around a dragon when he does nothing about it, but I do think that it is unrealistic. If you don't try for realism in the game, I would argue that you might as well cheat, because you are getting the same effect in the long run.

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Tremble and despair, for I am power! All here are now judged, and are found wanting.

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03-16-2001, 03:33 AM	#1
deverece Dungeon Master Join Date: March 7, 2001 Location: Washington, DC, USA Posts: 72	I thought the whole purpose of the game was to beat it. The people who say traps make the fight too easy obviously have lost touch with reality. This esoteric argument is based on the fact that these 'purists' are cheating by saving before fighting. Try not saving all day, THEN fight a dragon. I would imagine the thought of losing so many hours of playtime over and over would greatly influence their opinion of an 'easy' win using traps. ------------------ Dying ain't much of a living, boy. - Josey Wales

03-16-2001, 06:13 AM	#2
Moiraine Anubis Join Date: March 1, 2001 Location: Up in the Freedomland Alps Age: 60 Posts: 2,474	I agree, Deverece ! Traps are a Thief's way to deal with monsters, as much as attacking is a Fighter's way. It is part of the game. ------------------

03-16-2001, 12:17 PM	#3
Charean Hathor Join Date: March 6, 2001 Location: Waxahachie, TX Age: 61 Posts: 2,201	Moiraine has the right of it - heck, if I can get better at setting those things up, I will have to try it... it beats the heck out of resurrecting myself on a regular basis... ------------------ Defender for the Light - Goodness knows there is a lot of Dark out there!! - Where are my matches?

03-16-2001, 03:47 PM	#4
MILAMBER Lord Soth Join Date: March 5, 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,948	I agree that traps aren't cheating, but I think that the arguement being made by the other side is that setting traps around a dragon with him watching you and not doing anything about it is cheating. They would argue that it is unrealistic for a dragon to just sit there and watch a thief set traps right around him. ------------------ Tremble and despair, for I am power! All here are now judged, and are found wanting.

03-16-2001, 03:51 PM	#5
250 Horus - Egyptian Sky God Join Date: March 4, 2001 Location: either CA or MO Age: 43 Posts: 2,674	why is it not realistic? if the dragon can think for himself, then... but there isn't a dragon, so it doesnt matter if the dragon can think for himself or not. since it doesnt matter the dragon cannot think for himself, it doesn't matter what the thief does. if what the thief does does not matter, then it does not matter if it is cheating or not. if it does not matter it is cheating or not, it does not matter if you care or not if it does not matter you care or not, it does not matter ... lol

03-16-2001, 04:01 PM	#6
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	Now gobble up your own tail, Elminster, lol! Besides, the argument is based on a false premise! There IS a dragon just as much as there IS a Thief. The fact that both are made of pixels is beside the point! It follows that it is unrealistic for the dragon - the wisest of creatures - to not notice trap-setting under its nose! F.

03-16-2001, 04:18 PM	#8
Fljotsdale Thoth - Egyptian God of Wisdom Join Date: March 12, 2001 Location: Birmingham, West Mid\'s, England Age: 88 Posts: 2,859	ROFL!! Ok, ok, you win, you made me laugh! F.

03-16-2001, 05:30 PM	#10
MILAMBER Lord Soth Join Date: March 5, 2001 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,948	Yes, I guess it is the dragons problem and not mine. I suppose that if I used cheat codes, that would also be the dragons problem and not mine. BGII is modeled after D&D - Correct? In D&D there is a DM - Correct? BGII has a computer playing the roll of DM I propose that a human DM would not allow a thief to set traps around a dragon without some retribution from the dragon. The reason the DM would do this is because if the dragon did nothing, it would be unrealistic. It can be argued that the dragons in the game observe very little in common with the awe inspiring dragons in the Forgotten realms books, but I don't think that anyone would say that a dragon is blind or stupid. I don't honestly think that it is cheating to use traps around a dragon when he does nothing about it, but I do think that it is unrealistic. If you don't try for realism in the game, I would argue that you might as well cheat, because you are getting the same effect in the long run. ------------------ Tremble and despair, for I am power! All here are now judged, and are found wanting.

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