Dwarves really get the shaft in BG2

SixOfSpades · 01-09-2002, 11:26 PM

Elves get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with the Bow and Long Sword.
Halflings get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with the Sling.
Dwarves get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with Diddly P. Squat.

Is it me, or isn't the image of a Dwarf giving throat to a vicios war-cry and weilding his Axe (or Warhammer, as the case may be) kind of, well, a classic archetype? Shouldn't Dwarves recieve a bonus with the very weapons that are just as 'particular' to their race as Bows are for Elves?

People in BG1 play Dwarves because they can get the Tome of DEX. to improve their AC by 'fixing' the Dexterity penalty, but more importantly because they can get the Tome of CON so their main character is ALWAYS regenerating his lost hitpoints, which is VERY nice. But then they hit BG2 and it turns out it's possible to get a Ring of Regeneration almost right off the bat! So now, everything that made their character cool is now summed up in a ring, which can be passed from character to character. No wonder so many folks play Elves instead. Okay, so Dwarves have some good Saving Throws. And?

fable · 01-10-2002, 12:42 AM

Yes, but dwarves have great beards, and they make fantastic catapult-based ammunition. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Mourn Yauntyyr · 01-10-2002, 01:07 AM

Hey, um, that's 2nd edition AD&D rules. That's just the way it is, and the way it has been for about 15 years. It has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate. Dwarves also have increased bonuses against poisons and giants, and can detect all kinds of stuff underground, like new construction, slanting passages, etc. Just the way it is, man, sorry.

Hayashi · 01-10-2002, 01:12 AM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:
Yes, but dwarves have great beards, and they make fantastic catapult-based ammunition. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ahhh... memories of the dwarf-throwing thread...

fable · 01-10-2002, 02:14 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Hayashi:

Ahhh... memories of the dwarf-throwing thread...

You remember that!

I just re-bumped it on GameBanshee. I have to get my wife to read it. She'll probably look at me peculiarly, but it will be worth it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I'd link to it here, but that would be rather tasteless, linking to another board's thread. These are both excellent boards. Perhaps we could revive the scholarly consideration of airborne dwarves, halflings, and gnomes on Ironworks.

Hayashi · 01-10-2002, 03:16 AM

How could anyone forget such a hilarious thread??

JR Jansen · 01-10-2002, 04:57 AM

quote:
Originally posted by fable:

Perhaps we could revive the scholarly consideration of airborne dwarves, halflings, and gnomes on Ironworks.

I'm totaly against it and if you try, i'm gonna hit your knee caps with my short sword.

Morgeruat · 01-10-2002, 09:15 AM

Dwarves also get bonuses to hit orcs, 1/2 orcs, and other goblin kin, but I don't think this was implemented in the game...

And yes the dwarf-tossing thread was one of my favorites, it had me rolling on the floor of my office, I had to leave the room several times a page so that I could laugh without people looking at me funny

J'aran · 01-10-2002, 09:22 AM

quote:
Originally posted by JR Jansen:

I'm totaly against it and if you try, i'm gonna hit your knee caps with my short sword.

Who cares? Gnomes are easy ammo compared to dwarves. An angry dwarf with a big battle axe is a lot more dangerous than a gnome with a shortsword. Gnomes are the easiest to throw manually, IMO. Not as big and dangerous as dwarves and a great deal lighter than both dwarves and halflings.

Sir Michael · 01-10-2002, 02:26 PM

I read the thread, and I was ROFL.

I can't believe that no one has mentioned here or in the other thread Gimly the dwarf's quote from LOTR1: "Nobody throws dwarves!"

Best line in the movie, and it shows that the writers of the film really knew fantasy very well. The subject of "dwarf throwers" (versus "dwarven throwers") has been around for a long time, and has been the catalyst for the creation of a lot of humorous material, as evidenced by that thread.

A little off topic, but was I the only one who thought the LOTR movie was a lot better D&D film than the stupid one that bore that name?

01-09-2002, 11:26 PM	#1
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	Elves get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with the Bow and Long Sword. Halflings get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with the Sling. Dwarves get a +1 THAC0/Damage bonus with Diddly P. Squat. Is it me, or isn't the image of a Dwarf giving throat to a vicios war-cry and weilding his Axe (or Warhammer, as the case may be) kind of, well, a classic archetype? Shouldn't Dwarves recieve a bonus with the very weapons that are just as 'particular' to their race as Bows are for Elves? People in BG1 play Dwarves because they can get the Tome of DEX. to improve their AC by 'fixing' the Dexterity penalty, but more importantly because they can get the Tome of CON so their main character is ALWAYS regenerating his lost hitpoints, which is VERY nice. But then they hit BG2 and it turns out it's possible to get a Ring of Regeneration almost right off the bat! So now, everything that made their character cool is now summed up in a ring, which can be passed from character to character. No wonder so many folks play Elves instead. Okay, so Dwarves have some good Saving Throws. And? __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

01-10-2002, 01:07 AM	#3
Mourn Yauntyyr The Magister Join Date: December 1, 2001 Location: Kansas Posts: 127	Hey, um, that's 2nd edition AD&D rules. That's just the way it is, and the way it has been for about 15 years. It has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate. Dwarves also have increased bonuses against poisons and giants, and can detect all kinds of stuff underground, like new construction, slanting passages, etc. Just the way it is, man, sorry. __________________ Mourn Yauntyyr<br />HDM, Tzach Neveril<br />An all-Drow NwN server<br />[url]\"http://www.tzachneveril.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.tzachneveril.com</a>

01-10-2002, 01:12 AM	#4
Hayashi Silver Dragon Join Date: March 25, 2001 Location: The Lion City Age: 63 Posts: 1,699	quote: Originally posted by fable: Yes, but dwarves have great beards, and they make fantastic catapult-based ammunition. [img]smile.gif[/img] Ahhh... memories of the dwarf-throwing thread... __________________ I visit IW occasionally...

01-10-2002, 02:14 AM	#5
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	quote: Originally posted by Hayashi: Ahhh... memories of the dwarf-throwing thread... You remember that! I just re-bumped it on GameBanshee. I have to get my wife to read it. She'll probably look at me peculiarly, but it will be worth it. [img]smile.gif[/img] I'd link to it here, but that would be rather tasteless, linking to another board's thread. These are both excellent boards. Perhaps we could revive the scholarly consideration of airborne dwarves, halflings, and gnomes on Ironworks.

01-10-2002, 03:16 AM	#6
Hayashi Silver Dragon Join Date: March 25, 2001 Location: The Lion City Age: 63 Posts: 1,699	How could anyone forget such a hilarious thread?? __________________ I visit IW occasionally...

01-10-2002, 12:42 AM	#2
fable Quintesson Join Date: March 17, 2001 Location: Where I am. Posts: 1,089	Yes, but dwarves have great beards, and they make fantastic catapult-based ammunition. [img]smile.gif[/img]

01-10-2002, 04:57 AM	#7
JR Jansen Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: May 31, 2001 Location: Mol (Belgium) Posts: 658	quote: Originally posted by fable: Perhaps we could revive the scholarly consideration of airborne dwarves, halflings, and gnomes on Ironworks. I'm totaly against it and if you try, i'm gonna hit your knee caps with my short sword. __________________ JR<p>Damned i lost cousin Jan\'s techno gloves<p>Forest runner and first gnomish demiranger-protector with slightly rougueish tendencies and a natural dislike for Aerie

01-10-2002, 09:15 AM	#8
Morgeruat Jack Burton Join Date: October 16, 2001 Location: PA Age: 44 Posts: 5,421	Dwarves also get bonuses to hit orcs, 1/2 orcs, and other goblin kin, but I don't think this was implemented in the game... And yes the dwarf-tossing thread was one of my favorites, it had me rolling on the floor of my office, I had to leave the room several times a page so that I could laugh without people looking at me funny __________________ "Any attempt to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, and I am just gonna snap." Knibb High Principal - Billy Madison

01-10-2002, 09:22 AM	#9
J'aran Mephistopheles Join Date: December 12, 2001 Location: Fryslân, The Netherlands Age: 45 Posts: 1,493	quote: Originally posted by JR Jansen: I'm totaly against it and if you try, i'm gonna hit your knee caps with my short sword. Who cares? Gnomes are easy ammo compared to dwarves. An angry dwarf with a big battle axe is a lot more dangerous than a gnome with a shortsword. Gnomes are the easiest to throw manually, IMO. Not as big and dangerous as dwarves and a great deal lighter than both dwarves and halflings.

01-10-2002, 02:26 PM	#10
Sir Michael Manshoon Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 58 Posts: 202	I read the thread, and I was ROFL. I can't believe that no one has mentioned here or in the other thread Gimly the dwarf's quote from LOTR1: "Nobody throws dwarves!" Best line in the movie, and it shows that the writers of the film really knew fantasy very well. The subject of "dwarf throwers" (versus "dwarven throwers") has been around for a long time, and has been the catalyst for the creation of a lot of humorous material, as evidenced by that thread. A little off topic, but was I the only one who thought the LOTR movie was a lot better D&D film than the stupid one that bore that name? __________________ \"You see things; and you say \'Why?\' But I dream things that never were; and I say \'Why not?\'\"<br />-George Bernard Shaw<br /><br />\"Men take only their needs into consideration never their abilities.\"<br />-Napoleon Bonaparte

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