Lowest level to Ferro

Wild Rose · 10-31-2003, 05:55 AM

What is the lowest level anyone has gotten to Ferro and how did you do it? It's so frustrating to wait to get to him to buy my Bishop lvl 5 spells. Is it worth the wait or do you skip the Umpani/T'rang stuff or whatever? Any and all comments would be appreciated.

Wereboar · 10-31-2003, 07:32 AM

Level 11, with a party of 6. In expert ironman. They had enough experience to be level 13 when they got there, but delayed levelling. Fighter, ranger, bard, mage, priest, alchemist.

How? Just went there and killed the monsters en route. And teleported in and out to replenish mana at the fountain in trynton.

Scatter · 10-31-2003, 03:48 PM

There's not much point for me to going before L15, as the very nice stuff isn't there yet then. But still, i did once get that far at L11 with a foursome myself, namely Lord Ranger Samurai Bard. We had 7 fully charged Amulets of Healing and used all but one of the charges. After the fixed encounters in the outdoor portion of the Rift, i usually make it running all the way to the Castle without a fight other than the archers stationed at the exit from the Rift and at the trap hall in the Courtyard, and then the next fight is in the Throne Room, and i win it with a Death Bomb or two and some combat. Then i go straight up to become a Templar.
The most important buffs for me here are usually Magic Screen and Element Shield if they have Samurai or Warlocks.
Haste helps plenty, Silencing the Priestesses, if you end up stuck in a battle with them, and Freezing seems quite effective against all manner of Rapax.

10-31-2003, 05:03 PM

the earliest i've started the run through the rift is around level 10/11 with a small party. you can skip a lot of experience by teleporting directly to the rift when you finish the bluff, but the streamlined way i use for picking up some experience is....

use the "set teleport" book you get at martens bluff to set portal at the trang teleport machine. then teleport direct to the umpani - join up, buy spells, walk to the hogar cave, get the "return portal" book. visit uncle bela, use return portal to get back to the trang and then use the machine to get to the rift.

if i'm going for an early run, i'll often make direct for the templar challenges by avoiding any and all peripheral things in the rift (including the priestess rooms, the corpse rooms, the staff/key sequence, etc.), and run through the courtyard rather than battle. then i'll use strategies similar to scatter to get through the throneroom.

once you're a templar, the rapax area is easy pickings. HOWEVER, you do give up quite a bit of combat-earned experience and item drops this way, so it can undermine your long-term goals.

one final thought - if your party is level 12 or lower, the encounters at the rift are a lot easier. most notably, minimal encounters with warlocks and samurais - just beefcake

i've never noticed a lack of items shopping at ferros getting there early. can you be more specific, scatter?

Scatter · 10-31-2003, 07:02 PM

The Mauler, Dread Spear, Strong Bow, L5 Spellbooks, i think also the Cloak of Many Colors, Golden Breastplate, Infinity Helm, Snakeboots...at least the time i went at L11 they weren't available, and were when i got back as L15, i remember once i was 14 and they weren't there, i made 15 killing El D and Al S, went back, and they were available.
Maybe it's patch-related, like the way Kunar has no Whipping Rocks books in the patchless game (ever)....

Loudhy · 11-01-2003, 01:09 AM

Interesting. Never reached Rapax Rift or Ferro below Lvl 15 myself. I think there is no reason for me now to try that in a new game.
Sultan : If you reached Rapax Rift with a Lvl 11 party how did you manage to kill the Lava Lord and his minions to get the key ?

Scatter · 11-01-2003, 01:14 AM

You don't need to kill them to get into the Castle. Or to do anything at all important. Rescuing the prisoner is pointless.

Halsey · 11-01-2003, 07:33 AM

My lowest level characters were around 11 when I made it to the castle. This was a party of four (three Bishops and a Bard). I pretty much avoided most of the canned encounters (priestesss, etc.) and made it to the teleporter. Other than the archers at the Rapax Courtyard, I just avoided that big encounter and went directly to Ferro. I would also agree with Scatter, in that the pickin's weren't that great. Fought a couple of large encounters, leveled up, set a portal, and beat it out of there till later. I usually try to get there early for the ammunition - medusa, lightning bolts, mystics, etc.

Ziggurat · 11-01-2003, 07:43 AM

Rescuing the Rapax prisoner is not pointless, you get many points (40K?). Does it help the story? Not really.

Starfire · 11-01-2003, 08:59 PM

Lowest level party I took to Ferro was Level 15/16 and I had tough time of it too, as it was one of my first parties. Didn't have an alchemist in the party either so I couldn't afford anything! lol I always take at least one party member whom can do alchemy now with any party I start and I work there alchemy up to a decent level BEFORE visiting Ferro to ensure I have the funds available to buy all his great stuff.

10-31-2003, 05:55 AM	#1
Wild Rose Dungeon Master Join Date: September 9, 2003 Location: Home Age: 80 Posts: 90	What is the lowest level anyone has gotten to Ferro and how did you do it? It's so frustrating to wait to get to him to buy my Bishop lvl 5 spells. Is it worth the wait or do you skip the Umpani/T'rang stuff or whatever? Any and all comments would be appreciated. __________________ Pratice is what makes the impossible possible - Czerny

11-01-2003, 07:43 AM	#9
Ziggurat Symbol of Cyric Join Date: November 4, 2001 Location: Baltimore, Md Age: 71 Posts: 1,106	Rescuing the Rapax prisoner is not pointless, you get many points (40K?). Does it help the story? Not really. __________________ How are you today, Citizen?

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10-31-2003, 07:32 AM	#2
Wereboar Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 6, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 795	Level 11, with a party of 6. In expert ironman. They had enough experience to be level 13 when they got there, but delayed levelling. Fighter, ranger, bard, mage, priest, alchemist. How? Just went there and killed the monsters en route. And teleported in and out to replenish mana at the fountain in trynton.

10-31-2003, 03:48 PM	#3
Scatter Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2003 Location: Portland Age: 66 Posts: 1,336	There's not much point for me to going before L15, as the very nice stuff isn't there yet then. But still, i did once get that far at L11 with a foursome myself, namely Lord Ranger Samurai Bard. We had 7 fully charged Amulets of Healing and used all but one of the charges. After the fixed encounters in the outdoor portion of the Rift, i usually make it running all the way to the Castle without a fight other than the archers stationed at the exit from the Rift and at the trap hall in the Courtyard, and then the next fight is in the Throne Room, and i win it with a Death Bomb or two and some combat. Then i go straight up to become a Templar. The most important buffs for me here are usually Magic Screen and Element Shield if they have Samurai or Warlocks. Haste helps plenty, Silencing the Priestesses, if you end up stuck in a battle with them, and Freezing seems quite effective against all manner of Rapax.

10-31-2003, 05:03 PM	#4
sultan Guest Posts: n/a	the earliest i've started the run through the rift is around level 10/11 with a small party. you can skip a lot of experience by teleporting directly to the rift when you finish the bluff, but the streamlined way i use for picking up some experience is.... use the "set teleport" book you get at martens bluff to set portal at the trang teleport machine. then teleport direct to the umpani - join up, buy spells, walk to the hogar cave, get the "return portal" book. visit uncle bela, use return portal to get back to the trang and then use the machine to get to the rift. if i'm going for an early run, i'll often make direct for the templar challenges by avoiding any and all peripheral things in the rift (including the priestess rooms, the corpse rooms, the staff/key sequence, etc.), and run through the courtyard rather than battle. then i'll use strategies similar to scatter to get through the throneroom. once you're a templar, the rapax area is easy pickings. HOWEVER, you do give up quite a bit of combat-earned experience and item drops this way, so it can undermine your long-term goals. one final thought - if your party is level 12 or lower, the encounters at the rift are a lot easier. most notably, minimal encounters with warlocks and samurais - just beefcake i've never noticed a lack of items shopping at ferros getting there early. can you be more specific, scatter?

10-31-2003, 07:02 PM	#5
Scatter Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2003 Location: Portland Age: 66 Posts: 1,336	The Mauler, Dread Spear, Strong Bow, L5 Spellbooks, i think also the Cloak of Many Colors, Golden Breastplate, Infinity Helm, Snakeboots...at least the time i went at L11 they weren't available, and were when i got back as L15, i remember once i was 14 and they weren't there, i made 15 killing El D and Al S, went back, and they were available. Maybe it's patch-related, like the way Kunar has no Whipping Rocks books in the patchless game (ever)....

11-01-2003, 01:09 AM	#6
Loudhy Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: September 3, 2003 Location: Köln Germany Age: 70 Posts: 692	Interesting. Never reached Rapax Rift or Ferro below Lvl 15 myself. I think there is no reason for me now to try that in a new game. Sultan : If you reached Rapax Rift with a Lvl 11 party how did you manage to kill the Lava Lord and his minions to get the key ?

11-01-2003, 01:14 AM	#7
Scatter Symbol of Cyric Join Date: August 17, 2003 Location: Portland Age: 66 Posts: 1,336	You don't need to kill them to get into the Castle. Or to do anything at all important. Rescuing the prisoner is pointless.

11-01-2003, 07:33 AM	#8
Halsey Dungeon Master Join Date: May 11, 2003 Location: Pa. Age: 74 Posts: 53	My lowest level characters were around 11 when I made it to the castle. This was a party of four (three Bishops and a Bard). I pretty much avoided most of the canned encounters (priestesss, etc.) and made it to the teleporter. Other than the archers at the Rapax Courtyard, I just avoided that big encounter and went directly to Ferro. I would also agree with Scatter, in that the pickin's weren't that great. Fought a couple of large encounters, leveled up, set a portal, and beat it out of there till later. I usually try to get there early for the ammunition - medusa, lightning bolts, mystics, etc.

11-01-2003, 08:59 PM	#10
Starfire The Magister Join Date: September 18, 2003 Location: West Virginia Age: 61 Posts: 108	Lowest level party I took to Ferro was Level 15/16 and I had tough time of it too, as it was one of my first parties. Didn't have an alchemist in the party either so I couldn't afford anything! lol I always take at least one party member whom can do alchemy now with any party I start and I work there alchemy up to a decent level BEFORE visiting Ferro to ensure I have the funds available to buy all his great stuff.

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