Combat

Desdicado · 10-25-2002, 11:35 AM

Combat in this game really put me off, in the end I uninstalled and sold it on amazon I got so sick of 20 minute battles with weak enemies. I was so disapointed.

Vaprakgruumsh · 10-25-2002, 02:43 PM

You gave up too early then.

Of course, when your party begins you don't have much for resources - no good weapons, no good spells, etc. (Unless you imported from Wizardry 7).

So naturally, battles are going to take longer, as your party grows.

In time, you will get a weapon (Bloodlust) that makes any fighting class, a shredding machine, and a MESS of spells that will make your casters - both mages and priest type alike, a force to be recokned with.

I am at a point now, where I can face about 20 monsters (as it often happens in the Rapax Castle), and be done with them in no more than about 2 minutes.

Charging up to them, my fighter and Valk and Rogue chew through them - while my mage casts any number of his fire level spells, or his asphixiation spell - and my priest does lifesteal, death wish, or any number of her spells...

And next thing I know, I am cleaning the blood off my blade and robes.

Shame you gave up on the game. I don't recall seeing your name here on this forum... you could have asked for some pointers that might have really helped in getting through the battles...

bling bling · 10-25-2002, 04:42 PM

I have to second what Vaprakgruumsh said. Combat can be laborious when you're fighting challenging creatures, but at a certain point in the game those 5 groups of 5 bandits or 8 juggernaughts, 4 caustic weeds, and 3 siges become less of a threat and simply more experience on your way to kicking bigger and badder ass.

My last runthough, I was using the Bard's hex bagpipes in conjunction with my Mage's asphyxiation spell with devistating results. The Rapax army at Ascension Peak was killed off in two rounds, leaving only the demon child and the Prince to handle. Combat becomes much more fun once you get some of the more interesting spells to cast, in my estimation. Sorry you experience was less than enjoyable.

bb

Gimli · 10-25-2002, 11:36 PM

There's definitely a learning curve with Wizardry 8, takes a while to know how to create effective characters for combat, how to fight with good tactics too. And also it takes some time before your characters build up to where they can bully pretty much anyone they come across, but when it does happen (trust me it does!) it's quite a nice feeling of accomplishment.

If I were you I'd go back on E-bay and buy yourself a copy, if you give it some time you will end up becoming a happy addict

Wereboar · 10-28-2002, 12:11 PM

20 minutes for a small fight is way too much. 5 minutes should be enough.
Be sure to set the 'monster movement speed' option to fastest (x5).

Gimli · 10-28-2002, 09:57 PM

Also there is that "wiz fast" patch that speeds up the monster's movement in combat, definitely worth having. The game is too combat-heavy IMHO, but still a great one.

Desdicado · 10-29-2002, 08:25 AM

Thanks for your comments guys. I didn't know about the Wiz Fast patch, that may have helped me, the very fact there is one though indicates a problem though doesn't it?.
I had completed a good proportion of the game, I just couldn't take any more wiggle wiggle wiggle, one iron weed moves, wiggle wiggle wiggle etc etc yawn!.

Thankfully I found Wizards and Warriors on Ebay, a far better game in every respect, oh yeah, and I prefer my fantasy "Pure" (ie no space ships!).
I'm not saying it was all bad, I really enjoyed my 1st 10 hours or so and the character management was good.

[ 10-30-2002, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Desdicado ]

el_kalkylus · 10-29-2002, 10:04 AM

Quote:

I had completed a good proportion of the game, I just couldn't take any more wiggle wiggle wiggle, one iron weed moves, wiggle wiggle wiggle etc etc yawn!.

I was also fed up with combat. It was very nice when one guy created wizfast.exe. It fixed the movement rate, so the monsters walk very fast. Unfortunately it didn't fix the action-speed, so some fights still takes very long. At least there are no more "wiggle wiggle, one iron weed moves, wiggle wiggle wiggle...".

John_Tesh · 11-11-2002, 11:39 PM

where do you get wizfast.exe? That would be incrediably helpful during battles...

Gimli · 11-12-2002, 01:38 PM

Try here, it's called the "speed enhancer":

http://www.geocities.com/shau185/downloads.html

10-25-2002, 11:35 AM	#1
Desdicado Zhentarim Guard Join Date: March 30, 2001 Location: Scotland Age: 48 Posts: 335	Combat in this game really put me off, in the end I uninstalled and sold it on amazon I got so sick of 20 minute battles with weak enemies. I was so disapointed. __________________ \"We will welcome them with Bullets and Shoes\" Mohhamed Sa\'id Al Shahaf

10-25-2002, 02:43 PM	#2
Vaprakgruumsh Drizzt Do'Urden Join Date: November 24, 2001 Location: Neverending Nights Age: 54 Posts: 639	You gave up too early then. Of course, when your party begins you don't have much for resources - no good weapons, no good spells, etc. (Unless you imported from Wizardry 7). So naturally, battles are going to take longer, as your party grows. In time, you will get a weapon (Bloodlust) that makes any fighting class, a shredding machine, and a MESS of spells that will make your casters - both mages and priest type alike, a force to be recokned with. I am at a point now, where I can face about 20 monsters (as it often happens in the Rapax Castle), and be done with them in no more than about 2 minutes. Charging up to them, my fighter and Valk and Rogue chew through them - while my mage casts any number of his fire level spells, or his asphixiation spell - and my priest does lifesteal, death wish, or any number of her spells... And next thing I know, I am cleaning the blood off my blade and robes. Shame you gave up on the game. I don't recall seeing your name here on this forum... you could have asked for some pointers that might have really helped in getting through the battles... __________________ · [url]\"http://www.neverendingnights.com\" target=\"_blank\">Neverending Nights.com</a> ·

10-25-2002, 11:36 PM	#4
Gimli Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Moria Posts: 912	There's definitely a learning curve with Wizardry 8, takes a while to know how to create effective characters for combat, how to fight with good tactics too. And also it takes some time before your characters build up to where they can bully pretty much anyone they come across, but when it does happen (trust me it does!) it's quite a nice feeling of accomplishment. If I were you I'd go back on E-bay and buy yourself a copy, if you give it some time you will end up becoming a happy addict __________________ There\'s one dwarf left in Moria that still draws breath!

10-28-2002, 09:57 PM	#6
Gimli Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Moria Posts: 912	Also there is that "wiz fast" patch that speeds up the monster's movement in combat, definitely worth having. The game is too combat-heavy IMHO, but still a great one. __________________ There\'s one dwarf left in Moria that still draws breath!

10-29-2002, 08:25 AM	#7
Desdicado Zhentarim Guard Join Date: March 30, 2001 Location: Scotland Age: 48 Posts: 335	Thanks for your comments guys. I didn't know about the Wiz Fast patch, that may have helped me, the very fact there is one though indicates a problem though doesn't it?. I had completed a good proportion of the game, I just couldn't take any more wiggle wiggle wiggle, one iron weed moves, wiggle wiggle wiggle etc etc yawn!. Thankfully I found Wizards and Warriors on Ebay, a far better game in every respect, oh yeah, and I prefer my fantasy "Pure" (ie no space ships!). I'm not saying it was all bad, I really enjoyed my 1st 10 hours or so and the character management was good. [ 10-30-2002, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: Desdicado ] __________________ \"We will welcome them with Bullets and Shoes\" Mohhamed Sa\'id Al Shahaf

10-25-2002, 04:42 PM	#3
bling bling Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: June 13, 2002 Location: Stumptown, OR Posts: 36	I have to second what Vaprakgruumsh said. Combat can be laborious when you're fighting challenging creatures, but at a certain point in the game those 5 groups of 5 bandits or 8 juggernaughts, 4 caustic weeds, and 3 siges become less of a threat and simply more experience on your way to kicking bigger and badder ass. My last runthough, I was using the Bard's hex bagpipes in conjunction with my Mage's asphyxiation spell with devistating results. The Rapax army at Ascension Peak was killed off in two rounds, leaving only the demon child and the Prince to handle. Combat becomes much more fun once you get some of the more interesting spells to cast, in my estimation. Sorry you experience was less than enjoyable. bb

10-28-2002, 12:11 PM	#5
Wereboar Baaz Draconian Join Date: June 6, 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 795	20 minutes for a small fight is way too much. 5 minutes should be enough. Be sure to set the 'monster movement speed' option to fastest (x5).

11-11-2002, 11:39 PM	#9
John_Tesh Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: November 7, 2002 Location: St. Louis Age: 43 Posts: 8	where do you get wizfast.exe? That would be incrediably helpful during battles...

11-12-2002, 01:38 PM	#10
Gimli Emerald Dragon Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: Moria Posts: 912	Try here, it's called the "speed enhancer": http://www.geocities.com/shau185/downloads.html __________________ There\'s one dwarf left in Moria that still draws breath!

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