Armor Class

Sir Goulum · 05-14-2005, 09:53 PM

What is considered a good armor class in NWN? In BG2, I know a good one was around -8 to -12 range, for a fighter, and in NWN, my Dwarf is at around 30 or so, and getting to the final stretches of the original campaign thing. Also, a slightly unrelated question, why is everything so expensive, and why are my things sold for dirt cheap? I mean 172 000 gold for some bracers is a little much in my books. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Legolas · 05-14-2005, 10:29 PM

An AC is considered Good when others have trouble hitting you. When you're 19+ points above their base attack score, in practice. Beyond that, it's Good when you can't get it up any higher.

It really depends on the level range, the monsters you face and the magic available. In the HotU campaign, it's claimed that you need an AC of 30 at the very least in order to survive. That's not necessarily true, but it's not entirely inaccurate either. An AC of 30 there is nothing Good but at least it's decent.

In other places, a good AC can be anything from 32 (full plate, tower shield, improved expertise, dex 12, which works in a no magic world) to 70+ depending on the levels you can gain, the items you can gain, and the classes you take. An AC of 100 is considered extremely overpowered in many places, but poor in others. There's that much difference.

Why are items as expensive as they are? I have no idea. Prices are based on the item's properties and just what calculations are used there only Bioware knows. Apparently the merchant doesn't give any discounts, you could try raising your Appraise skill which can make a difference between paying 130% of the merchant's price, and 70%. I do agree that gold was always in too short supply for my liking in HotU, especially because the stores had a maximum price they'd pay for my magical trinkets.

Sir Goulum · 05-14-2005, 10:43 PM

You can get up to an AC of 100? Yeesh... [img]tongue.gif[/img] So, compared to BGII, AC30 would be about AC0 or -1?

When I go to buy stuff, it says the reaction from my Appraise skill is neutral. Does that mean I'm paying about 100% of the price?
I just found it stupid how I had to buy the Armor of Balduran (in Beorunna's Well, the Neurik fellow) for some 102 000 gold but when I went to sell it after getting some dragon scale armor or something, I could only sell it for 12000 gold or so.

wellard · 05-14-2005, 11:32 PM

The trick I found is not to pay for armour or such. You will find more good stuff around every corner

Further into the game (Sou and Hou) you do get more money from traders but IIRC it is still capped to about 50,000 for even the best of equipment

If you get a chance to buy bags of holding (100%) or heal potions they are worth it

wellard · 05-14-2005, 11:35 PM

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The final stages of the game (HoU) can be made very easy by having a LOT of money to spare

Sir Goulum · 05-14-2005, 11:54 PM

I figured the bag of holdings out by myself, I must have 4 or 5 of them by now, and I find enough healing potions to be good for a while. The armor thing really ticked me off because I just spent 100 000 on some armor that was a real upgrade from my last armor (Half plate +2 or something), and then just 10 minutes later I found an even better set.

. Oh well. I only lost 90 000 gold on that one. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
How much, might I ask, is a lot, Wellard? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

shadowolf03 · 05-15-2005, 04:07 AM

I think he is hinting about the weapons upgrade areas of HotU, which uses several millions of gold pieces IIRC.

Legolas · 05-15-2005, 05:29 AM

No, I think he's hinting at the wise creatures.

Neutral means you're paying around 100% of the price, yes.

And if I had to put it somewhere, I'd say AC 30 would be around BG AC 2. Decent but not the greatest thing on earth.

Zink Whistlefly · 05-16-2005, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by Legolas:
No, I think he's hinting at the wise creatures.

Neutral means you're paying around 100% of the price, yes.

And if I had to put it somewhere, I'd say AC 30 would be around BG AC 2. Decent but not the greatest thing on earth.

Hmm, both BG2 and NWN have a base AC of 10. Only difference is AC decreases in BG2 and increases in NWN. Surely that means that a NWN AC of 30 can be approximated to an BG2 AC of -10?

Legolas · 05-16-2005, 06:18 AM

Not if you consider that in NWN, an AC of 60 is not always unrealistical, and 120+ possible too. In BG, -10 is about as good as it gets.

05-14-2005, 11:32 PM	#4
wellard Dracolisk Join Date: November 1, 2002 Location: Australia ..... G\'day! Posts: 6,123	The trick I found is not to pay for armour or such. You will find more good stuff around every corner Further into the game (Sou and Hou) you do get more money from traders but IIRC it is still capped to about 50,000 for even the best of equipment If you get a chance to buy bags of holding (100%) or heal potions they are worth it __________________ fossils - natures way of laughing at creationists for over 3 billion years

05-14-2005, 11:35 PM	#5
wellard Dracolisk Join Date: November 1, 2002 Location: Australia ..... G\'day! Posts: 6,123	Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler Spoiler The final stages of the game (HoU) can be made very easy by having a LOT of money to spare __________________ fossils - natures way of laughing at creationists for over 3 billion years

05-15-2005, 04:07 AM	#7
shadowolf03 Drow Warrior Join Date: December 22, 2002 Location: UK Age: 40 Posts: 258	I think he is hinting about the weapons upgrade areas of HotU, which uses several millions of gold pieces IIRC. __________________ Knowing how to be an adult is knowing when to be a child.

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05-14-2005, 09:53 PM	#1
Sir Goulum John Locke Join Date: February 7, 2002 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 8,985	What is considered a good armor class in NWN? In BG2, I know a good one was around -8 to -12 range, for a fighter, and in NWN, my Dwarf is at around 30 or so, and getting to the final stretches of the original campaign thing. Also, a slightly unrelated question, why is everything so expensive, and why are my things sold for dirt cheap? I mean 172 000 gold for some bracers is a little much in my books. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

05-14-2005, 10:29 PM	#2
Legolas Jack Burton Join Date: March 31, 2001 Location: The zephyr lands beneath the brine. Age: 40 Posts: 5,459	An AC is considered Good when others have trouble hitting you. When you're 19+ points above their base attack score, in practice. Beyond that, it's Good when you can't get it up any higher. It really depends on the level range, the monsters you face and the magic available. In the HotU campaign, it's claimed that you need an AC of 30 at the very least in order to survive. That's not necessarily true, but it's not entirely inaccurate either. An AC of 30 there is nothing Good but at least it's decent. In other places, a good AC can be anything from 32 (full plate, tower shield, improved expertise, dex 12, which works in a no magic world) to 70+ depending on the levels you can gain, the items you can gain, and the classes you take. An AC of 100 is considered extremely overpowered in many places, but poor in others. There's that much difference. Why are items as expensive as they are? I have no idea. Prices are based on the item's properties and just what calculations are used there only Bioware knows. Apparently the merchant doesn't give any discounts, you could try raising your Appraise skill which can make a difference between paying 130% of the merchant's price, and 70%. I do agree that gold was always in too short supply for my liking in HotU, especially because the stores had a maximum price they'd pay for my magical trinkets.

05-14-2005, 10:43 PM	#3
Sir Goulum John Locke Join Date: February 7, 2002 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 8,985	You can get up to an AC of 100? Yeesh... [img]tongue.gif[/img] So, compared to BGII, AC30 would be about AC0 or -1? When I go to buy stuff, it says the reaction from my Appraise skill is neutral. Does that mean I'm paying about 100% of the price? I just found it stupid how I had to buy the Armor of Balduran (in Beorunna's Well, the Neurik fellow) for some 102 000 gold but when I went to sell it after getting some dragon scale armor or something, I could only sell it for 12000 gold or so.

05-14-2005, 11:54 PM	#6
Sir Goulum John Locke Join Date: February 7, 2002 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 36 Posts: 8,985	I figured the bag of holdings out by myself, I must have 4 or 5 of them by now, and I find enough healing potions to be good for a while. The armor thing really ticked me off because I just spent 100 000 on some armor that was a real upgrade from my last armor (Half plate +2 or something), and then just 10 minutes later I found an even better set. . Oh well. I only lost 90 000 gold on that one. [img]tongue.gif[/img] How much, might I ask, is a lot, Wellard? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

05-15-2005, 05:29 AM	#8
Legolas Jack Burton Join Date: March 31, 2001 Location: The zephyr lands beneath the brine. Age: 40 Posts: 5,459	No, I think he's hinting at the wise creatures. Neutral means you're paying around 100% of the price, yes. And if I had to put it somewhere, I'd say AC 30 would be around BG AC 2. Decent but not the greatest thing on earth.

05-16-2005, 06:18 AM	#10
Legolas Jack Burton Join Date: March 31, 2001 Location: The zephyr lands beneath the brine. Age: 40 Posts: 5,459	Not if you consider that in NWN, an AC of 60 is not always unrealistical, and 120+ possible too. In BG, -10 is about as good as it gets.

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