Bard song

Aelia Jusa · 06-29-2003, 06:48 PM

I've noticed a problem with bard song and I'm wondering if anyone else has too. Sometime when I tell Eldoth to sing his little song, he sings away and we all get the little notes on our portraits. But I can see he's still using his crossbow and after a little while the notes go away, obviously because he's still using his weapon even though I haven't told him to. Occasionally I accidently get everyone to attack some person which includes him and the song goes away but this is when I haven't ordered him to do anything but sing and yet he attacks anyway. What's up with that?

icelus · 06-29-2003, 08:12 PM

Is your AI on? He's probably assigned a script that has him attack whatever creature you come across. An attack order, whether given to him individually or to your group en masse, will override his order to sing...

Pirengle · 06-29-2003, 08:15 PM

Is the AI button on? At the bottom-right-hand corner of your screen should be two small buttons, right below the NPC portraits. If the button on the left is on (should be outlined in red if it is), the character is under the influence of their AI script. You can check a character's script under the information screen.

I don't know if Eldoth's script would do this, but I've had thieves stealthed or finding traps, and if the AI's on, they attack regardless. (Imoen does this.) Try turning off the button or changing Eldoth's AI script.

EDIT: Never do the dishes in the middle of posting. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ 06-29-2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Pirengle ]

Aelia Jusa · 06-29-2003, 10:04 PM

Yes that might be it... didn't think about AI (haven't played this for ages

). Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] . Although he doesn't do it all the time [img]graemlins/confused2.gif[/img]

Still on bards, I'm a bit puzzled about their armour situation. Now when they're wearing leather armour, they can't cast their spells. But they can't wear mage robes. Do people have them just wearing nothing?

icelus · 06-29-2003, 10:35 PM

A nude bard confuses the enemy with no saving throw. Better than BG2's jester

SixOfSpades · 06-30-2003, 12:28 AM

News Flash: Bards SUCK in BG1. Yep, if you want to cast spells, your Bard's gotta be buck naked, or at least pretend that your Bracers of Defense will ward off those Black Talon Elites.

That's why those who use Bards try to go for quasi-combat spells: Have Garrick cast Stinking Cloud and Web from out of the enemy's sight range, then cast Mirror Image, slap his armor back on and charge in. Takes a lot longer than just having your Tank do everything, but at least his spellslots don't go to waste.

Aelia Jusa · 06-30-2003, 06:52 PM

Yes he does seem to suck quite a bit...

. Still I've never used a bard before so it's different anyway. His song does seem to help us in tough battles. Does the song improve with levels? I know it's not like in BG2 where it has different effects at different levels but does it like improve your luck by more at level 6 than 2 for instance?

Raistlin Majere · 07-03-2003, 03:22 PM

err...does it have different effects at different levels in bg2? i thought only the kits effect the songs...

edit: aah yes, checked the manual and it indeed does get better.

[ 07-03-2003, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ]

Aelia Jusa · 07-03-2003, 05:29 PM

Thanks Raistlin [img]smile.gif[/img] . Doesn't bard song have different effects at different levels in BG2? Maybe I'm thinking of IWD2. Anyway. One of those I'm sure

06-29-2003, 06:48 PM	#1
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,867	I've noticed a problem with bard song and I'm wondering if anyone else has too. Sometime when I tell Eldoth to sing his little song, he sings away and we all get the little notes on our portraits. But I can see he's still using his crossbow and after a little while the notes go away, obviously because he's still using his weapon even though I haven't told him to. Occasionally I accidently get everyone to attack some person which includes him and the song goes away but this is when I haven't ordered him to do anything but sing and yet he attacks anyway. What's up with that? __________________

06-29-2003, 08:12 PM	#2
icelus Manshoon Join Date: February 28, 2003 Location: Albuquerque Age: 46 Posts: 214	Is your AI on? He's probably assigned a script that has him attack whatever creature you come across. An attack order, whether given to him individually or to your group en masse, will override his order to sing... __________________ [url]\"http://modlist.pocketplane.net\" target=\"_blank\">Infinity Engine Modlist</a> - Comprehensive, Interactive, and Up-to-date!<br />[url]\"http://www.pocketplane.net\" target=\"_blank\">Pocket Plane Group</a> and [url]\"http://www.gibberlings3.net\" target=\"_blank\">The Gibberlings Three</a> - your sources for quality IE mods

06-29-2003, 08:15 PM	#3
Pirengle Symbol of Cyric Join Date: April 20, 2003 Location: Sarasota, Florida, USA Age: 42 Posts: 1,101	Is the AI button on? At the bottom-right-hand corner of your screen should be two small buttons, right below the NPC portraits. If the button on the left is on (should be outlined in red if it is), the character is under the influence of their AI script. You can check a character's script under the information screen. I don't know if Eldoth's script would do this, but I've had thieves stealthed or finding traps, and if the AI's on, they attack regardless. (Imoen does this.) Try turning off the button or changing Eldoth's AI script. EDIT: Never do the dishes in the middle of posting. [img]tongue.gif[/img] [ 06-29-2003, 08:15 PM: Message edited by: Pirengle ] __________________ [img]\"http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/pirengle/quintesson.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

06-29-2003, 10:04 PM	#4
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,867	Yes that might be it... didn't think about AI (haven't played this for ages ). Thanks [img]smile.gif[/img] . Although he doesn't do it all the time [img]graemlins/confused2.gif[/img] Still on bards, I'm a bit puzzled about their armour situation. Now when they're wearing leather armour, they can't cast their spells. But they can't wear mage robes. Do people have them just wearing nothing? __________________

06-29-2003, 10:35 PM	#5
icelus Manshoon Join Date: February 28, 2003 Location: Albuquerque Age: 46 Posts: 214	A nude bard confuses the enemy with no saving throw. Better than BG2's jester __________________ [url]\"http://modlist.pocketplane.net\" target=\"_blank\">Infinity Engine Modlist</a> - Comprehensive, Interactive, and Up-to-date!<br />[url]\"http://www.pocketplane.net\" target=\"_blank\">Pocket Plane Group</a> and [url]\"http://www.gibberlings3.net\" target=\"_blank\">The Gibberlings Three</a> - your sources for quality IE mods

06-30-2003, 12:28 AM	#6
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 47 Posts: 6,901	News Flash: Bards SUCK in BG1. Yep, if you want to cast spells, your Bard's gotta be buck naked, or at least pretend that your Bracers of Defense will ward off those Black Talon Elites. That's why those who use Bards try to go for quasi-combat spells: Have Garrick cast Stinking Cloud and Web from out of the enemy's sight range, then cast Mirror Image, slap his armor back on and charge in. Takes a lot longer than just having your Tank do everything, but at least his spellslots don't go to waste. __________________ Volothamp's Comeuppance Everything you ever needed to know about the entire Baldur's Gate series......except spoilers.

06-30-2003, 06:52 PM	#7
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,867	Yes he does seem to suck quite a bit... . Still I've never used a bard before so it's different anyway. His song does seem to help us in tough battles. Does the song improve with levels? I know it's not like in BG2 where it has different effects at different levels but does it like improve your luck by more at level 6 than 2 for instance? __________________

07-03-2003, 03:22 PM	#8
Raistlin Majere Ra Join Date: March 26, 2002 Location: Finland Age: 37 Posts: 2,323	err...does it have different effects at different levels in bg2? i thought only the kits effect the songs... edit: aah yes, checked the manual and it indeed does get better. [ 07-03-2003, 03:24 PM: Message edited by: Raistlin Majere ] __________________ If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst forth at once in the sky, that would be like the splendor of the Mighty One. "I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

07-03-2003, 05:29 PM	#9
Aelia Jusa Iron Throne Cult Join Date: August 23, 2001 Location: Brisbane, Australia Age: 44 Posts: 4,867	Thanks Raistlin [img]smile.gif[/img] . Doesn't bard song have different effects at different levels in BG2? Maybe I'm thinking of IWD2. Anyway. One of those I'm sure __________________

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