enchanting and blessing questions

you must improve your encant skill..

I have enchanted with my warlock just about all of my items. I ahve the artifact of fire and artifact of vine spells but all I acn do enchant with the fire spell. At what point can I use the vine spell to enchant? Have to raise my enchant skill again to use the vine spell? same thing with blessing to get a different bless other than toughen?

[Wyvern]

There is a good link posted in a previous thread about enchanting. I'll search it out and bump it back up to the top! Keep a look out for it!

Wyv

[carg]

Since I haven't seen the post Wyv was trying to bring to top, here's a hint file I composed from that thread. Hope this is enough info for you

Painebringer 10/26 10:46am The Secrets of Enchanting & Blessing
I finished the game with a level 21 warlock who had a skill of 8 in enchanting and 9 in blessing. I made some mistakes playing it this way, but I did end up with a couple of items that were much more powerful than anything found in the game. I wanted to share my findings here so maybe you could avoid making the same mistakes, and seriously consider the costs and rewards of enchanting/blessing items in the game. If Jinxter or someone wants to add this post to their FAQ, they have my permission. I share this information freely with the W&W community.

First, consider the cost. The base cost for one enchantment (I'll refer to both blessing and enchantment here as just "enchantment") is 1,000 gold. Then for every skill point over one you can add another enchantment for double the price of the previous one. This means the 4th enchantment will cost you 8,000 gold and the total for 4 enchantments will be 15,000 gold. Each damage blessing will add 1 to 2 points of damage. Each armor blessing does the same for AC. Depending on the spells your warlock/wizard has, you get a mid-level spell choice to add to a weapon, such as Zap or Flamestrike. And yes, the spells are rechargeable but you must pay the cost of enchantment again.

Last week someone was posting here about their sword they'd put 12 Enchantments on. It was a godlike weapon, but the grim reality is that this player hacked their game and cheated to get it that high. Twelve enchantments would total over 4,000,000 gold in cost, and require an incredible devotion of skill points to reach a total of 12 ... (as you may know, the higher your skill level, the more points it takes to raise it again).

Now, about the skill points. Trying to divide your skills between both blessing and enchantment on one character is a waste of effort. It's better to have your Priest or Monk or Paladin focus on the Blessings and a warlock (or other wizard guild member) focus on the Enchantments. That way you can achieve higher skill levels more quickly. There are several prerequisites to the process:

1. High guild level. This means doing ALL the guild quests you can get in order to raise your guild level to a minimum of 5 as fast as possible (maximum is 7). I don't believe you'll see the Enchantment or Blessing skills offered before guild level 5. (Same happens with the Artifact and Ancient Lore skills for ID'ing things).

2. Artifact spells. Without the artifact spells, you cannot enchant or bless. These are level 4 for Stone, 5 for Moon and Fire, 7 for Spirit, 3 for Vines (adds toughness blessing), and 6 for Fiend. Each spell allows a different option when you enchant or bless. Vine adds toughness to armor (Durability). Stone adds AC bless to armor or Zap enchant to weapons. Fire adds Flamestrike for weapons or Resist Fire to armor. I assume Fiend adds the Pain spell, though I hadn't acquired that spell by the end of the game (too busy with other spells). I don't know what Artifact of Spirit adds, maybe someone can fill in the blanks.

3. Traits. BEFORE you can use the Enchant or Bless skills you must ALSO have the Cabalist Trait (temple, precursor trait to Bless skill) or the Occultist Trait (wiz guild, precursor to Enchant skill).

4. Skills. Once you have Cabalist and/or Occultist, you are offered the Blessing and/or Enchant skill, respectively. Here's where the drudgery comes in. By now your characters have broken into the teens in level and are fairly powerful in their own right. You are probably faced with painful choices at every level over where to stick your skill points. 2nd Weapon? Deathstrike? Higher Sun or Moon spells? More Sorcery for more mana? Now you have to decide how important enchantment is going to be. With a full party of 6 characters, it's easier because you can split the duties. If I did this over again I would have my priest focus on all the blessing skills while my Warlock worried only about the Enchantment. That means the Priest would not be able to add some of the enchantments allowed with Sun, Moon, etc., spell schools but this is a slow, expensive process anyway. If you make it to the end of the game and still want to see where it all leads, switch him to Samurai or Assassin to get other spell schools. Or turn him into a Zenmaster and get them all

One last point to be made. Pick the item you enchant very carefully. The better the item, of course, the more noticeable your enchantments will be. Starting with a rusty dagger isn't going to do much for you I never could make much sense out of which items were enchantable and which not -- if it said "+1 Enchant" or "+2 Enchant" then I knew it was enchantable. My monk had a Trident of Tides that was a decent weapon (for a Pole/Staff) but it was not enchantable. Jewelry is not enchantable. The Mavin is not enchantable The sword you can get from the Djinn *IS* enchantable, however. So is the Robinsblade, Nightblade, etc. These all make good enchanted weapons. I used the Sword of Argus from the Djinn, and by the end of the game it was topping out at about 44 base points of damage

Enchantments and Blessings seem to count against each other. So if you have an enchant skill of 4 and a Bless skill of 8, ALWAYS add enchantments first. If you stick 8 blessings on the weapon, you need an enchant skill of 9 to add just 1 enchantment. So if you want that sword to proc Flamestrike, get it enchanted before you go to the temple and add more base damage. If you want the armor to protect from Fire or Magic, enchant it first before you go get it blessed.

That's the meat of the issue here. Hopefully enough folks will read this that we won't see as many "how do I enchant?" posts here. Hey, I can wish can't I?

Painbringer


Hi,

I've worked a lot with the blessing and enchants, and I'd like to share what I've discovered.

Blessing is the most important, as you can add hit, damage, regen, toughness, and armor class.
Stone gives you armor, vine tougheness, fiend damage, spirit regen, and I forget what gives you hit.

The best thing to do is find yourself some Bronze Cuffs and Silver Rings. I had a ton of them, for the Brigands near the first town drop them a lot. Each one allows a multiplyer of 100%, which is the best. I'll explain how this works.

For enchanting or blessing armour, each piece of armour is given a percentage of armor class or magic resist when blessed, as follows:

Body Armour: 40% per blessing
Head Gear: 20%
Leggings: 20%
Foot Gear: 15%
Gauntlets: 15%
Shields: Unknown

As you can see, it really doesn't give you much defence. The other unfortunate part is, if you enchant pro magic, fire or ice, you only get that percentage of protection. Say you enchant a suit of Chain Mail with 4 levels of Pro Fire. Well, you will not get 80% protection, you will get 40% of that, which will be 30%. Not really worth the money is it? The moral is, just give armor more armor class, and save the magic resistance for the rings. There is a better way!

The silver rings as most players know are invaluable for their blessing potential. If you add even one level of pro fire, ice or magic, you get the full 20% since the multiplier is 100%!

This is what I did for most of my party members, who each got one or two of the following:

1. Silver Ring - Given 80% Spirit, Ice Fire resistance.
2. Silver Ring - 12 Armour Class (the BEST!)
3. Bronze Cuff - 9 Hit, 3 Regen.

Now, some members were not given these as they didn't need them, or had the Holy Signet, etc. The best place to find good stuff to enchant is around Brimloch Roon, and the Centaurs seem to drop great stuff.

Weapons:

It is true that the Sword of Argus is just about the best weapon to bless. However, the Wizards Blade, is also a hell of a find. It can do up to almost 70 damage with 12 blessings. Then, find a Main Gauche +2, which maxed out will do about 45. I gave both of these to my Pixie who dishes out damage pretty good. The Robinsword and Nightblade are also great to bless.

I've noticed that Necklaces and Spears can't be blessed or enchanted, why I don't know. Spears seem pretty low power in this game.

Some weapons, like the Imperial Gladius, can't be enchanted either. I've also found a powerful Samurai No-Dachi stuck in a boulder, which looks promising! I'm sure you'll find some other stuff that I've missed as well. But, it would be worth your while to go back to the first town and get some silver rings.

Not to unbalance my party too much, I did keep a few fighters with kung fu and no weapons. But yes, the gold cheat is necessary to accomplish all of this, and having a high guild level. I don't why all of these features were made with it all revolving around money. I think it could have been done a better way, such as being allowed to bless or enchant more depending on your level, or quests completed. It amazes me why so many RPG's revolve around gold, gold, gold. There has to be a better way! This is a breeding ground for cheating.

It is also frusterating that finding good items in the game difficult. I notice near the end, all I find are Necklaces of Healing, ad infinium. There is a poor variety of items to find it seems, a few really good ones, but the best have to made yourself.

Some of the best I've seen are:

1. Divine Chain of D'Soto
2. Dragon Armor (can be enchanted!)
3. Sword of Argus
4. Wizard Blade
5. Golden Talis
6. Signet of Mavin


There are many others to find that I've heard about.

One last thing for those of you who have Zenmasters, when they receive the Enlightenment trait, you can enchant or bless a total of 14 times. May not seem worth it near the end of the game, but who knows.

Now get out there and get those Silver Rings and Bronze Cuffs! Even if you don't use a gold cheat, they will help out tremendously!

Scronan

[Wyvern]

I finally did manage to get Pain's message thread back to the top - would have had it done sooner if I was not suffering from flakey phone lines today.

Wyv

[skywalker]

And one more with great info from Carg!

Mark

[carg]

Mark, that is a bit too much credit I'm afraid: I just collected the info from a post originally at the vault network (Painbringer), and great additions from our Scronan.

[Wyvern]

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