hold monster spell

Grungi · 01-23-2003, 06:10 AM

the level 5 hold monster spell, does it ever work? its meant to hold a few monsters, but i tried it on crappy monsters and it wont even hold them, is it bugged or just completely hopeless? i tried it so many times and am yet to hold a single monster in place, also the actual spell when cast doesnt seem to affect the monster i cast it on, rather it stays in one place? am i meant to cast it on the ground and not the monster? (either way it still doesnt seem to work)

bah bah bah!

Lord Brass · 01-23-2003, 06:52 AM

AFAIK it should be the monster. The fact that it doesn't (or rarely) works is hardly surprising. I find that it is best to try to avoid spells that have the chance of a save. Difficult I know, but you can plan better for those critical fights. That's why symbols are so good.

Keraptisdm · 01-23-2003, 09:11 AM

Yes, the monsters always seem to roll an 18, 19 or 20 for their saves. But cast Charm on my Paladin, and I always seem to roll a 1.

pritchke · 01-23-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by Keraptisdm:
Yes, the monsters always seem to roll an 18, 19 or 20 for their saves. But cast Charm on my Paladin, and I always seem to roll a 1.

Thats why I always have a few hold person's handy. If one of my guys goes berserk, or is charmed I stop them with hold person. Allows the negative effects to wear off, works almost every time too. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Dundee Slaytern · 01-24-2003, 09:28 AM

Actually... I love using such spells, even if they allow a save.

The thing is... you have to prep the combatants first. Use Bless, Recitation, Curse, Greater Malison, Prayer, etc... to boost your saves and lower theirs.

Following this tactic, battles become extremely easy even on Heart of Fury mode because every party member is bursting to the gills with magical steriods while the enemy is suffocating under a barrage of disabling spells. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img]

Throw in a few Free Actions and some Webs, and hey, hey, hey, knock that Giant down baby.

Keraptisdm · 01-24-2003, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by pritchke:
[QBThats why I always have a few hold person's handy. If one of my guys goes berserk, or is charmed I stop them with hold person. Allows the negative effects to wear off, works almost every time too. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] [/QB]

A flash of lightning just hit me with your comment, pritchke. Honest to gosh, I never thought about that, seriously. I'll have to try that, get a couple of hold person spells and use when my fighter gets charmed. Thanks, bud.

I learned something new today, so can I go home now?

pritchke · 01-24-2003, 02:25 PM

No problem Keraptisdm.

I believe I learned that trick upon entering Dorm's Deep were all the blue mushroom people are. Nothing worse than defeating your enemy than getting hacked to pieces by your own guy.

kdawg249 · 01-31-2003, 12:26 AM

I've noticed when ever one of my people gets charmed they just stand there and don't attack my party or the one's I'm fighting and they aren't held or paralyzed, they just move their head and look around. I don't know why. Do any of you know why?

ZFR · 01-31-2003, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by kdawg249:
I've noticed when ever one of my people gets charmed they just stand there and don't attack my party or the one's I'm fighting and they aren't held or paralyzed, they just move their head and look around. I don't know why. Do any of you know why?

are you sure theyre charmed and not confused or paniced?

pritchke · 01-31-2003, 09:41 AM

It sounds like they have become confused. Be thankful that they are just standing around. Sometimes a confused character can become violent towards there friends.

01-23-2003, 06:52 AM	#2
Lord Brass Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 17, 2001 Location: Good ol\' Blighty Age: 53 Posts: 913	AFAIK it should be the monster. The fact that it doesn't (or rarely) works is hardly surprising. I find that it is best to try to avoid spells that have the chance of a save. Difficult I know, but you can plan better for those critical fights. That's why symbols are so good. __________________ <b>I\'ve submitted to the Choc!</b>

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01-23-2003, 06:10 AM	#1
Grungi Banned User Join Date: September 4, 2002 Location: no Age: 47 Posts: 1,446	the level 5 hold monster spell, does it ever work? its meant to hold a few monsters, but i tried it on crappy monsters and it wont even hold them, is it bugged or just completely hopeless? i tried it so many times and am yet to hold a single monster in place, also the actual spell when cast doesnt seem to affect the monster i cast it on, rather it stays in one place? am i meant to cast it on the ground and not the monster? (either way it still doesnt seem to work) bah bah bah!

01-23-2003, 09:11 AM	#3
Keraptisdm Elminster Join Date: August 23, 2002 Location: Near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Age: 62 Posts: 410	Yes, the monsters always seem to roll an 18, 19 or 20 for their saves. But cast Charm on my Paladin, and I always seem to roll a 1.

01-24-2003, 09:28 AM	#5
Dundee Slaytern Ironworks Moderator Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Pasir Ris, Singapore Age: 42 Posts: 11,063	Actually... I love using such spells, even if they allow a save. The thing is... you have to prep the combatants first. Use Bless, Recitation, Curse, Greater Malison, Prayer, etc... to boost your saves and lower theirs. Following this tactic, battles become extremely easy even on Heart of Fury mode because every party member is bursting to the gills with magical steriods while the enemy is suffocating under a barrage of disabling spells. [img]graemlins/hehe.gif[/img] Throw in a few Free Actions and some Webs, and hey, hey, hey, knock that Giant down baby.

01-24-2003, 02:25 PM	#7
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 50 Posts: 3,491	No problem Keraptisdm. I believe I learned that trick upon entering Dorm's Deep were all the blue mushroom people are. Nothing worse than defeating your enemy than getting hacked to pieces by your own guy.

01-31-2003, 12:26 AM	#8
kdawg249 Elite Waterdeep Guard Join Date: January 3, 2003 Location: WI Age: 42 Posts: 6	I've noticed when ever one of my people gets charmed they just stand there and don't attack my party or the one's I'm fighting and they aren't held or paralyzed, they just move their head and look around. I don't know why. Do any of you know why?

01-31-2003, 09:41 AM	#10
pritchke Bastet - Egyptian Cat Goddess Join Date: September 5, 2001 Location: Calgary, AB Age: 50 Posts: 3,491	It sounds like they have become confused. Be thankful that they are just standing around. Sometimes a confused character can become violent towards there friends.

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