Pros and cons of a F-M dualled at a low level

Pyrenk · 04-20-2004, 07:22 PM

Starting from BGI and finishing ToB, dualling at a decently low level (5? Enough to obtain *** in Staves and ** in Two-Handed?), what are the pros and cons of each?

Lord · 04-20-2004, 07:39 PM

CON: Worse fighting ability, for one (obviously).

CON: You will have more trouble in the beginning of SoA as a low level fighter and then a very low level mage on top of that.

CON: You won't gain many HP later on.

PRO: You'll get the opportunity to advance farther in mage to gain more spells and get more of a certain type of spells in ToB as well.

PRO: Time stop, MMM

LennonCook · 04-21-2004, 02:14 AM

What will you put proficiencies in as a Mage? Avoid putting them in Staves and Two Handed until your fighter side reactivates, and you should be alright.

Andraste · 04-21-2004, 03:04 AM

I always start my mages as fighters, but all the *** go into bows.

1) low hit points an no armour – they need to stay back

2) High dex + magic bow + magic arrows all detract from THACO, which means they still stand a chance of hitting something towards the end of the game

3) AI set to fighter-ranged means they automatically get into the best position to cast spells

[ 04-21-2004, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: Andraste ]

Armen · 04-21-2004, 04:22 AM

yeh - you're mage with more hit points i guess (40 more - not too shabby)

there is a point at which you get and extra attack per round (or maybe half) which i think might be 7

does having the extra stars make tenser's transformation shine later on maybe i wonder?

an alternative way of injecting a bit of melee oomph into your mage is to go to level 10 swashbuckler (you get find/remove traps that way too [img]smile.gif[/img] )

Xen · 04-21-2004, 06:29 AM

F/M Multi-Class eats F->M for breakfast.

Dace De'Briago · 04-21-2004, 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xen:
F/M Multi-Class eats F->M for breakfast.

Whatever. I'll just take my chances with my level 21 Kensai/level 22 Mage.

Andraste · 04-21-2004, 02:04 PM

It's going to depend on the total experience level, and the level of dualing, but for most of the later stages of the game, the dual class F/M will be one level of mage ahead of the multi-class. So, during the stage when the dual class has time-stop, and the multi class hasn't, who eats whom is not going to go the multi's way.

Of course, in a melee fight the multi wins, but if you're wanting to use your mage in melee, I suspect that you aren't getting the most out of the magic system.

JrKASperov · 04-22-2004, 08:16 AM

Even at the XP cap, a multiclass F/M has only TWO lvl 9 spells... Not enough to trump the 5 a normal mage can get.

One MAJOR benefit I have found with a mage with fighter levels is the spell Black Blade of Disaster. That weapon gives grand mastery in long swords while creates one of the most devastating weapons in the game. Without the fighter levels, you will NOT get the extra attacks from Grand Mastery.

krunchyfrogg · 04-22-2004, 05:16 PM

The lowest level you should consider dualling at is 7, IMHO. You'll get an extra attack, and you'll also get your fighter class activated rather quickly.

04-20-2004, 07:22 PM	#1
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 36 Posts: 1,156	Starting from BGI and finishing ToB, dualling at a decently low level (5? Enough to obtain * in Staves and in Two-Handed?), what are the pros and cons of each? __________________

04-20-2004, 07:39 PM	#2
Lord Ma'at - Goddess of Truth & Justice Join Date: June 3, 2003 Location: New York Age: 40 Posts: 3,302	CON: Worse fighting ability, for one (obviously). CON: You will have more trouble in the beginning of SoA as a low level fighter and then a very low level mage on top of that. CON: You won't gain many HP later on. PRO: You'll get the opportunity to advance farther in mage to gain more spells and get more of a certain type of spells in ToB as well. PRO: Time stop, MMM __________________ "You're a thief and a liar." "No, I only lied about being a thief."

04-22-2004, 08:16 AM	#9
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 39 Posts: 1,701	Even at the XP cap, a multiclass F/M has only TWO lvl 9 spells... Not enough to trump the 5 a normal mage can get. One MAJOR benefit I have found with a mage with fighter levels is the spell Black Blade of Disaster. That weapon gives grand mastery in long swords while creates one of the most devastating weapons in the game. Without the fighter levels, you will NOT get the extra attacks from Grand Mastery. __________________ God is in the rain.

04-22-2004, 05:16 PM	#10
krunchyfrogg Red Dragon Join Date: February 14, 2004 Location: NY, USA Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	The lowest level you should consider dualling at is 7, IMHO. You'll get an extra attack, and you'll also get your fighter class activated rather quickly. __________________ <i>A life is not important, except in the impact it has on other lives.</i><br />- Jackie Robinson<br /><br /> [img]\"http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/3353/salsashark7xl.gif\" alt=\" - \" />

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04-21-2004, 02:14 AM	#3
LennonCook Jack Burton Join Date: November 10, 2001 Location: Bathurst & Orange, in constant flux Age: 38 Posts: 5,452	What will you put proficiencies in as a Mage? Avoid putting them in Staves and Two Handed until your fighter side reactivates, and you should be alright.

04-21-2004, 03:04 AM	#4
Andraste Manshoon Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: UK Age: 70 Posts: 182	I always start my mages as fighters, but all the *** go into bows. 1) low hit points an no armour – they need to stay back 2) High dex + magic bow + magic arrows all detract from THACO, which means they still stand a chance of hitting something towards the end of the game 3) AI set to fighter-ranged means they automatically get into the best position to cast spells [ 04-21-2004, 03:06 AM: Message edited by: Andraste ]

04-21-2004, 04:22 AM	#5
Armen Symbol of Cyric Join Date: February 11, 2003 Location: UK Age: 55 Posts: 1,375	yeh - you're mage with more hit points i guess (40 more - not too shabby) there is a point at which you get and extra attack per round (or maybe half) which i think might be 7 does having the extra stars make tenser's transformation shine later on maybe i wonder? an alternative way of injecting a bit of melee oomph into your mage is to go to level 10 swashbuckler (you get find/remove traps that way too [img]smile.gif[/img] )

04-21-2004, 06:29 AM	#6
Xen Symbol of Moradin Join Date: June 5, 2002 Location: Slovenia,Ljubljana Age: 37 Posts: 8,554	F/M Multi-Class eats F->M for breakfast.

04-21-2004, 02:04 PM	#8
Andraste Manshoon Join Date: June 8, 2003 Location: UK Age: 70 Posts: 182	It's going to depend on the total experience level, and the level of dualing, but for most of the later stages of the game, the dual class F/M will be one level of mage ahead of the multi-class. So, during the stage when the dual class has time-stop, and the multi class hasn't, who eats whom is not going to go the multi's way. Of course, in a melee fight the multi wins, but if you're wanting to use your mage in melee, I suspect that you aren't getting the most out of the magic system.

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