No Temple for Ranger/Clerics???

[SixOfSpades]

Me: Muticlassed Ranger/Cleric.
Party: Mazzy, Keldorn, Valygar, Kelsey, Imoen.
Note that in order to grab Keldorn early on, I had to trigger the start of the Unseeing Eye very early. Similarly, I had to start parts of the Umar Hills quests when I got Mazzy (and, to a lesser extent, Valygar).

In a previous run-through, I discovered that a Ranger/Cleric cannot complete the Umar Hills quests if he/she wants the Cleric Stronghold: As soon as a Ranger PC tells the Mayor that the Shade Lord is dead, then Minister Lloyd does not *ask* if you want the Ranger Stronghold--he simply *gives* it to you, whether you want it or not.

So, on this game, I zipped through Imnesvale like a coward: My party was my R/C and Yoshimo, and we went directly to Valygar's cabin--we even avoided initiating the Mayor's little scene at the fountain. Then, the 3 of us went through the Temple Ruins, staying in Stealth the whole time, killed the bare minimum amount of guards, grabbed Mazzy, and got the hell out. We still haven't spoken a single word to Minister Lloyd.

That was all in Chapter 2. Now it's Chapter 6, and high time I got myself into the Church of Lathander. I head back to the Temple District and rip the Cult of the Unseeing Eye a new one. I return with news of the deed to High Watcher Oisig. He gives me the same old spiel I've always gotten from him: Great rewards "if I were one of the faith," etc, plus his usual gold and trinkets. What the heck? Okay, I figured, maybe it's because I'm of Good Alignment, so now I just have to finish the Lathander parts of the quests. During the Sir Sarles episode, my conversation options were those of a follower of Helm. Huh? And, finally, after wrapping up the business with the Dawn Ring, Dawnbringer Sain "regrets that I was not of the Church!" What gives?!? And to put the frosting on the cake, I went pack to Oisig, who told me that "I had passed up an opportunity" that "would not come again!" WTF???

In desperation, I actually checked Dan Simpson's walkthrough. Unfortunately, he doesn't detail exactly what's supposed to happen when you're trying to get your Stronghold, but he did have this to say:

Normally when you go to the Temple District you see a cult form, and a Priest of Helm talks to you. Well when you go here as a Priest, a representative from your Temple (ie Lathander) tells you to come with him.

....except that my R/C is Neutral Good.... and we were approached by High Watcher Oisig. Does a Cleric have to actually be one of the Cleric kits to join a Temple? Was it due to the fact that my Reputation was "Average" during Gaal's speech? Should I just fling Skullcrusher through the sources of my aggravation and leave it at that?

[Nerull]

Sounds like a bug with the ranger/cleric; maybe when you went to Imnesvale it locked you into the "ranger" path, even though you didn't talk to anyone. It may consider going to Imnesvale as "acceptance", which would really suck. You should have been approached by the Lathander priest, not the Helm priest. I had a dual-classed Fighter/Cleric (fighter levels reactivated) that was approached by the Lathander priesthood, but the key was that I had not gone to Nalia's keep yet. The one time I played a ranger/cleric I took the ranger stronghold, so to be honest I couldn't give you full info on it. But that still bites either way; there is no reason you should not be able to join the Lathander temple.

[Timber Loftis]

The all strongholds patch is a WeiDu patch, and IIRC, this means it will work on games you're already playing. Have you considered it? I love the patch -- I mean who wants to play the game through as every conceivable character? Erm... I mean, who has time to do it all at once right now?

[Pirengle]

When I played as a cleric of Lathander, Dawnbringer Sain came to collect my PC at the Temple District Gaal gathering, not Oisig. My rep was low, the 12-13 range. My first time through BG2 with a chaotic good ranger/cleric, with a rep in the same range, it was Oisig who picked up the PC. I did Umar Hills before Unseeing Eye, so I ended up with the ranger stronghold. Unfortunately, I don't have a save early enough to check.

But why should it have to be a cleric kit to get the stronghold? Couldn't a cleric without a kit get a stronghold? Hmm. Worth checking.

[Pirengle]

Originally posted by Timber Loftis: The all strongholds patch is a WeiDu patch, and IIRC, this means it will work on games you're already playing. Have you considered it? I love the patch -- I mean who wants to play the game through as every conceivable character? Erm... I mean, who has time to do it all at once right now?

Meh.

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All-strongholds is buggy. All-strongholds doesn't always work (and the cleric strongholds are a prime example). All-strongholds will keep you in Athkatla until your characters have long, gray beards. The messengers will NOT leave you alone. And woe betide you if you use an AoE spell during a fight with a messenger on the screen--you could risk losing the stronghold.

One stronghold per player, according to BG2. Maybe I'll change my mind when/if a better stronghold mod comes out, maybe this time with a reason why a barbarian should get the Planar Sphere. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

(And until the Druid Grove gets better, you only have to play six different character types. [img]tongue.gif[/img] )

[SpongeBobTheDestoyer]

Let me quote from the Oversight mod-


2) It fixes a longstanding and infamous bug that prevents cleric/rangers from
being recognized as part cleric for stronghold purposes.

Speaking of Ranger/Clerics, maybe you could let me know if you ever have the problem I am having. My R/C has been getting held after casting free action on herself. In the Sauhagin(sp?) city she got stunned by a paralytic bolt and the, not to spoil anyone, thing that you save the svirfneblin gnomes, definately gnomes, in the underdark from stunned her also. I don't know for sure but I thought the spell free action prevented all forms of holding effects. Here is a semi list of what equipment she has:

flail of ages, defender of easthaven, boots of speed(Haer D'alis quest ones), cloak of the sewers, earth elemental ring that charms them and grants +1 to AC, Vhailors helm, and Aeger's Hide.

So if you ever happen to have the same problem let me know and maybe we can figure out what's causing it. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ 10-24-2003, 02:43 AM: Message edited by: SpongeBobTheDestoyer ]

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by SpongeBobTheDestoyer: Let me quote from the Oversight mod- 2) It fixes a longstanding and infamous bug that prevents cleric/rangers from being recognized as part cleric for stronghold purposes.

AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhh HHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I hope I spelled that correctly. Anyway, what a stupid crock! I had my face all set for winning a Cleric stronghold (for my very first time), and then I had to run head-on into this pit of festering ooze. Would it help if I'd temporarily SK'd my class to Fighter/Cleric? Or does anyone know the correct Global Variables that'll allow me to beat some sense into High Watcher Oisig and/or Dawnbringer Sain? (Or, if I just CLUA'd Sain into the game, would talking to him be enough to correct the issue?)

I would simply install Oversight, but for some reason my computer doesn't like it. Waaah!

Originally posted by SpongeBobTheDestroyer: My R/C has been getting held after casting free action on herself. In the Sauhagin(sp?) city she got stunned by a paralytic bolt and the, not to spoil anyone, thing that you save the duergar in the underdark from stunned her also. I don't know for sure but I thought the spell free action prevented all forms of holding effects.

Stun is a *mental* effect, not a *physical* effect. Free Action will shield you from things like Hold, Web, Entangle, Slow, and Haste, but for mental and psionic effects such as Stun, Charm, and Confusion, it's Chaotic Commands that does the trick.

I do find it odd that the Chapter 5 critter you mention was able to immobilize you, however. In my experience, its Paralytic Gaze effect has always been "Hold," not "Stun."

Oh, and to clarify:
Duergar: Dwarves with grey skin, also known as "Grey Dwarves." Commonly of Evil alignment.
Svirfneblin: Gnomes, also known as "Deep Gnomes." Commonly of Neutral alignment.

[Dundee Slaytern]

? Not quite. Free Action will protect against Symbol:Stun just fine, and defends against the Mind Flayer's Psionic Stun as well. It does not matter whether the source is mental or physical.

If the Paralytic Bolts still stun you, something is wrong.

[Nerull]

Originally posted by SpongeBobTheDestoyer: Let me quote from the Oversight mod- 2) It fixes a longstanding and infamous bug that prevents cleric/rangers from being recognized as part cleric for stronghold purposes.

Well that explains much. I thought about it today (work drives me nuts, so I need something else to think about), and I remember Sain being the one to approach my ranger/cleric. However, I had installed Oversight mod before that.

Originally posted by SixofSpades: I would simply install Oversight, but for some reason my computer doesn't like it. Waaah!

That bites, because it is a good mod that fixes a lot of stuff that doesn't make sense (like some of the alignments for people). Do you have any non-Weidu mods installed that might be interfering? I have all kinds of stuff installed on mine and yet I had no problem with Oversight.

[Desuma Malevois]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: AAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhh HHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! I hope I spelled that correctly. Anyway, what a stupid crock! I had my face all set for winning a Cleric stronghold (for my very first time), and then I had to run head-on into this pit of festering ooze. Would it help if I'd temporarily SK'd my class to Fighter/Cleric?

I don't think so, but it might have worked if you'd temporarily SK'd in a Cleric of Lathander kit. I had the same thing happen to a NE half-orcish Cleric/Thief, and the Talosians offered him the temple when I had SK'd their kit.