Three questions regarding Fighter/Mages

Pyrenk · 08-19-2003, 05:02 PM

I've decided to play through the game with this class (starting in BGI with a party, and soloing through BGII). However, I can't decide on two things:

1. Dual or Multi? I'd like reasons for both. Also, does one get more spells than the other (my primary concern)? If so, which one?

2. Which weapon should I take? I love daggers, but I think that the SotM will help me more. Daggers, however, have more style...especially Long tooth and the DotS. I could also use the Katana (I don't like the Celery Fury, but for roleplaying I'd use it).

3. Dual wield or single hand? Dual weilding would be nice, especially with my precious daggers [img]smile.gif[/img] , but single hand looks better for some reason (with certain weapons), and the critical bonus is always nice.

Stats would probably be 17/18/17/18/10/18: 98, if I counted properly. Not that hard to get.

--Sorry for troubling all of you

[ 08-19-2003, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

JrKASperov · 08-19-2003, 05:39 PM

1. Dual... Multi is incredibly sucky IMHO cause you won't get lvl 9 spellslots until you attained 6 million XP or so...

2. Hard one, Staff of the Magi would be as much cheese as Celestial Fury though.

Foor coolness, I advice Angurvadal(ToB) and SsoM(ToB) in the long run(or Flame Tongue/Adjatha and Kundane in SoA), so Long Sword and Short Sword.

3. I hardly ever get stats beyond 90

[ 08-19-2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: JrKASperov ]

Gangrell · 08-19-2003, 05:50 PM

1. Depends, if you want more spell slots, dual from a fighter to mage, but if you want HLA's quicker too you can have them as Multi-class.

2. If you're going for style, hmmm... I guess you can go for the daggers, usually they're not my preference. But other than that, I would go for Staff of the Magi for it's protection properties.

3. Dual wield, allows you to experiment more with attacks, more damage, plus critical hits still apply.

Faceman · 08-19-2003, 06:20 PM

1. Dual definitely. If you dual a fighter immediately at the start you can
a. regain status just before or shortly after the escape from Irenicus dungeon.
b. get Grand Mastery in the weapon of your choice
Multi-class f/m or f/m/t is mostly used for versatility in solo games. He lacks in spellslots and saves therefore gets better Thac0 etc.
Also mulitclasses greatly excel in ToB before that they sometimes seem like a waste compared to dual.

2. Staff of Rynn (or Clerics Staff for a start) looks sooo cool and is a very nice weapon if combined with grandmastery in quarterstaffs. StotM is extremely powerful and is THE choice if you are just going for "best item" but can be a nuisance some time (e.g. when you can't be healed before taking it of due to invisibility). Daggers and Swords are no weapons I like for a mage but if you choose them I'd advise you to take something very magical and special (like Adjatha the Drinker or CF) instead of some not visibly enchanted item (Blade of the Roses, plain +1(+2,+3,+4) swords, short sword of backstabbing)

3. Two-handed obviously if you use staffs. In any other case I'd suggest dual for small (dagger, short sword) and single for large (longsword, katana) weapons just for the credibility.

Pyrenk · 08-19-2003, 06:50 PM

Thanks for your replies. I'm going to use Hindo's Doom instead of the CF, as I find it too powerful [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ok, I am dualling at level 13. I want to be able to fight [img]smile.gif[/img] I am most likely taking Single and Katana for Hindo's Doom (such a nice weapon), but I'm considering your suggestions. I want to make a sort of mystic Samurai, however...too bad Katanas can't be used as Two-Handed weapons. More damage, speed, and style

[ 08-19-2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ]

Gangrell · 08-19-2003, 07:00 PM

There's always the Falchion Scimitar, closest thing you'll get to a two-handed katana, well a two-handed weapon for a thief to use I guess.

[ 08-19-2003, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: Gangrell ]

Pyrenk · 08-19-2003, 07:11 PM

Falchion? Is that part of a mod? If so, where can it be obtained?

Gangrell · 08-19-2003, 07:14 PM

If I'm saying it right, the Falchion Scimitar is a two-handed scimitar in the Forgotten Realms, don't think it's in Greyhawk. No, it's not part of a mod, just referring to it, but you could try to make it if you want.

perlninja · 08-19-2003, 07:16 PM

Dualing at 13 seems a bit excessive. It'll be a while before you can regain your Fighter proficiences at that rate. If you dual at level...10 I think?...then you will have spent 7 proficiency points...more than enough...think Grand Mastery on a weapon and a couple in a fighting style...and you will regain those stats fairly quickly. Plus you'll still have significant HP if you dual at level 10. But if you insist on dualing so late, (and I guess even if you don't), don't forget the elven chain mail in Trademeet, it has nice defense and mages can wear it.

Gangrell · 08-19-2003, 07:26 PM

Actually, 13 is the standard level to dual class, it just depends on how many characters you have in your party.

08-19-2003, 05:02 PM	#1
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 37 Posts: 1,156	I've decided to play through the game with this class (starting in BGI with a party, and soloing through BGII). However, I can't decide on two things: 1. Dual or Multi? I'd like reasons for both. Also, does one get more spells than the other (my primary concern)? If so, which one? 2. Which weapon should I take? I love daggers, but I think that the SotM will help me more. Daggers, however, have more style...especially Long tooth and the DotS. I could also use the Katana (I don't like the Celery Fury, but for roleplaying I'd use it). 3. Dual wield or single hand? Dual weilding would be nice, especially with my precious daggers [img]smile.gif[/img] , but single hand looks better for some reason (with certain weapons), and the critical bonus is always nice. Stats would probably be 17/18/17/18/10/18: 98, if I counted properly. Not that hard to get. --Sorry for troubling all of you [ 08-19-2003, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ] __________________

08-19-2003, 05:39 PM	#2
JrKASperov Fzoul Chembryl Join Date: July 16, 2003 Location: Wa\'eni\'n Age: 39 Posts: 1,701	1. Dual... Multi is incredibly sucky IMHO cause you won't get lvl 9 spellslots until you attained 6 million XP or so... 2. Hard one, Staff of the Magi would be as much cheese as Celestial Fury though. Foor coolness, I advice Angurvadal(ToB) and SsoM(ToB) in the long run(or Flame Tongue/Adjatha and Kundane in SoA), so Long Sword and Short Sword. 3. I hardly ever get stats beyond 90 [ 08-19-2003, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: JrKASperov ] __________________ God is in the rain.

08-19-2003, 06:20 PM	#4
Faceman Hathor Join Date: February 18, 2002 Location: Vienna Age: 43 Posts: 2,248	1. Dual definitely. If you dual a fighter immediately at the start you can a. regain status just before or shortly after the escape from Irenicus dungeon. b. get Grand Mastery in the weapon of your choice Multi-class f/m or f/m/t is mostly used for versatility in solo games. He lacks in spellslots and saves therefore gets better Thac0 etc. Also mulitclasses greatly excel in ToB before that they sometimes seem like a waste compared to dual. 2. Staff of Rynn (or Clerics Staff for a start) looks sooo cool and is a very nice weapon if combined with grandmastery in quarterstaffs. StotM is extremely powerful and is THE choice if you are just going for "best item" but can be a nuisance some time (e.g. when you can't be healed before taking it of due to invisibility). Daggers and Swords are no weapons I like for a mage but if you choose them I'd advise you to take something very magical and special (like Adjatha the Drinker or CF) instead of some not visibly enchanted item (Blade of the Roses, plain +1(+2,+3,+4) swords, short sword of backstabbing) 3. Two-handed obviously if you use staffs. In any other case I'd suggest dual for small (dagger, short sword) and single for large (longsword, katana) weapons just for the credibility. __________________ \"I am forever spellbound by the frailty of life\"<br /><br /> Faceman

08-19-2003, 06:50 PM	#5
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 37 Posts: 1,156	Thanks for your replies. I'm going to use Hindo's Doom instead of the CF, as I find it too powerful [img]smile.gif[/img] Ok, I am dualling at level 13. I want to be able to fight [img]smile.gif[/img] I am most likely taking Single and Katana for Hindo's Doom (such a nice weapon), but I'm considering your suggestions. I want to make a sort of mystic Samurai, however...too bad Katanas can't be used as Two-Handed weapons. More damage, speed, and style [ 08-19-2003, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Pyrenk ] __________________

08-19-2003, 07:11 PM	#7
Pyrenk Symbol of Cyric Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Old Bethpage, Long Island Age: 37 Posts: 1,156	Falchion? Is that part of a mod? If so, where can it be obtained? __________________

08-19-2003, 05:50 PM	#3
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	1. Depends, if you want more spell slots, dual from a fighter to mage, but if you want HLA's quicker too you can have them as Multi-class. 2. If you're going for style, hmmm... I guess you can go for the daggers, usually they're not my preference. But other than that, I would go for Staff of the Magi for it's protection properties. 3. Dual wield, allows you to experiment more with attacks, more damage, plus critical hits still apply.

08-19-2003, 07:00 PM	#6
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	There's always the Falchion Scimitar, closest thing you'll get to a two-handed katana, well a two-handed weapon for a thief to use I guess. [ 08-19-2003, 07:05 PM: Message edited by: Gangrell ]

08-19-2003, 07:14 PM	#8
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	If I'm saying it right, the Falchion Scimitar is a two-handed scimitar in the Forgotten Realms, don't think it's in Greyhawk. No, it's not part of a mod, just referring to it, but you could try to make it if you want.

08-19-2003, 07:16 PM	#9
perlninja Dungeon Master Join Date: June 1, 2003 Location: Victoria BC, Canada Age: 45 Posts: 65	Dualing at 13 seems a bit excessive. It'll be a while before you can regain your Fighter proficiences at that rate. If you dual at level...10 I think?...then you will have spent 7 proficiency points...more than enough...think Grand Mastery on a weapon and a couple in a fighting style...and you will regain those stats fairly quickly. Plus you'll still have significant HP if you dual at level 10. But if you insist on dualing so late, (and I guess even if you don't), don't forget the elven chain mail in Trademeet, it has nice defense and mages can wear it.

08-19-2003, 07:26 PM	#10
Gangrell Iron Throne Cult Join Date: January 2, 2003 Location: Big Castle in the Sky Age: 38 Posts: 4,835	Actually, 13 is the standard level to dual class, it just depends on how many characters you have in your party.

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