Acolates of the iron throne

dex_man · 10-02-2001, 07:36 AM

Im having real truble with sarevoks acolates on the top floor of the iron throne building when im doind a quest for duke eltan, no matter what i try i always seem to get my but severly kicked by them, in my party i've got

Me - Fighter/mage
Imoen
Khalid
Jaheria
Minsk
Dynaheir - she has a wand of holding (or sumthing similar)

i really need the help coz im getting real ticked off by these guys

Zbyszek · 10-02-2001, 08:11 AM

Use explosives: arrows, neclace. If situation is difficult you can go back downstairs and return using second staircase!

Telchar of Nogrod · 10-02-2001, 09:06 AM

Summoning monsters is a tactic I use when it is really tough. Engage the guy with with the bow in hand to hand ASAP. He seems to know who your mages are. Use magic missle on the spell casters to disrupt thier spells.

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Baruk Khazad! Khazad Aimenu! The axes of the dwarves! The dwarves are upon you!

StarVid · 10-02-2001, 10:01 AM

Why you don't have a cleric (for stinking cloud + summon undead), I don't know. But you and Dynaheir can let loose a couple of fireballs, then send two fighters in (with ring of free action and the other with spidersword), as your mage webs+horror+sleep (just for the hell of it). That should make it a lot easier for you.

SixOfSpades · 10-02-2001, 12:48 PM

Ummm.....Clerics can't do Stinking Cloud. I've never taken out that floor without doing the cheesy tactic of having my Thief go up a staircase, perform a backstab or bowshot, and retreat. But there are non-cheesy ways to do it: The spellcasters are kinda bunched up, so a few Arrows of Detonation should disrupt them pretty well. And arrows of Piercing for that guy with the bow. Expensive, I know, but what else were you going to use that money for?
(I find that Stinking Cloud works best on a bunch of bad guys when I have my Thief/Mage Stealth around to the OTHER side of them to cast it. That way they're in the Cloud, and my archers are out of it.)

StarVid · 10-02-2001, 08:36 PM

clerics can't do stinking cloud, but the cleric can animate dead while you mage casts the cloud. That way, within one round, you have your first attack set in. Furthermore, if Dyn is a high enough level to cast it (i.e. maxed out), though I doubt it, cloudkill is a nice touch...

Lord Brass · 10-02-2001, 08:51 PM

It's a tough one alright. It had me going about it the wrong way several times, but the best option in the end i.e. one which prevents you having to obtain a raise dead of four, is the brute force approach.

A doppleganger will try to attack your mage, for my Dynaheir, in hand to hand, so I had to cover her with my fighters whilst moving my archers in for some explosive arrow-related tomfoolery. The advantage I found was that you do not have to roll back too much of the fog of war, so when all of the unpleasantness was over, there was two bodies on the floor that I had never even engaged. Nice.

For spells though, the family favourites of Horror, Fireball, Web, Stinking Cloud, and of course Magic Missile should all do the trick. I don't recall using anything other than those. Sometimes the simplest plans are the simplest. Or so They tell me.

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Making running away an art form

dex_man · 10-02-2001, 10:18 PM

Thanks for the help aint got past it yet but almost, i think though i have to disagree with Telchar of Nogrod coz that guy with the arrows never seems to pick on Dynahier he always seems to go for minsk or jaheria, also what spells are the two fighter/druids using when they call down big colums of fire, they kick arse (mine usually), the two mages arent that much of a hassel i can usually ignore them, they jst seem to cast horror spells which dont bother me (i have all my characters on potions) + the fireball spell aint really any use if you come up the left stairs coz then you end up nailing your own players

SixOfSpades · 10-02-2001, 11:15 PM

That spell is Flamestrike. It's a Druid spell, and also comes in the Wand of the Heavens, purchased at Sorcerous Sundries. Only Clerics & Druids can use it.

SixOfSpades · 10-02-2001, 11:18 PM

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Oh, yeah. StarVid? How the hell can you equip one of your fighters with the Ring of Free Action when you don't find that ring until AFTER the fight in question?

Potions of Freedom and the spell Free Action do the same thing, though.

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10-02-2001, 07:36 AM	#1
dex_man Dungeon Master Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Te Hoe, Waikato, New Zealand Posts: 74	Im having real truble with sarevoks acolates on the top floor of the iron throne building when im doind a quest for duke eltan, no matter what i try i always seem to get my but severly kicked by them, in my party i've got Me - Fighter/mage Imoen Khalid Jaheria Minsk Dynaheir - she has a wand of holding (or sumthing similar) i really need the help coz im getting real ticked off by these guys

10-02-2001, 08:11 AM	#2
Zbyszek Avatar Join Date: August 27, 2001 Location: Poznan, Poland Posts: 575	Use explosives: arrows, neclace. If situation is difficult you can go back downstairs and return using second staircase!

10-02-2001, 09:06 AM	#3
Telchar of Nogrod Drow Warrior Join Date: September 2, 2001 Location: NYC Age: 58 Posts: 267	Summoning monsters is a tactic I use when it is really tough. Engage the guy with with the bow in hand to hand ASAP. He seems to know who your mages are. Use magic missle on the spell casters to disrupt thier spells. ------------------ Baruk Khazad! Khazad Aimenu! The axes of the dwarves! The dwarves are upon you!

10-02-2001, 10:01 AM	#4
StarVid Elminster Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople) Age: 46 Posts: 486	Why you don't have a cleric (for stinking cloud + summon undead), I don't know. But you and Dynaheir can let loose a couple of fireballs, then send two fighters in (with ring of free action and the other with spidersword), as your mage webs+horror+sleep (just for the hell of it). That should make it a lot easier for you.

10-02-2001, 12:48 PM	#5
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	Ummm.....Clerics can't do Stinking Cloud. I've never taken out that floor without doing the cheesy tactic of having my Thief go up a staircase, perform a backstab or bowshot, and retreat. But there are non-cheesy ways to do it: The spellcasters are kinda bunched up, so a few Arrows of Detonation should disrupt them pretty well. And arrows of Piercing for that guy with the bow. Expensive, I know, but what else were you going to use that money for? (I find that Stinking Cloud works best on a bunch of bad guys when I have my Thief/Mage Stealth around to the OTHER side of them to cast it. That way they're in the Cloud, and my archers are out of it.)

10-02-2001, 08:36 PM	#6
StarVid Elminster Join Date: September 23, 2001 Location: Istanbul (not Constantinople) Age: 46 Posts: 486	clerics can't do stinking cloud, but the cleric can animate dead while you mage casts the cloud. That way, within one round, you have your first attack set in. Furthermore, if Dyn is a high enough level to cast it (i.e. maxed out), though I doubt it, cloudkill is a nice touch...

10-02-2001, 08:51 PM	#7
Lord Brass Emerald Dragon Join Date: September 17, 2001 Location: Good ol\' Blighty Age: 53 Posts: 913	It's a tough one alright. It had me going about it the wrong way several times, but the best option in the end i.e. one which prevents you having to obtain a raise dead of four, is the brute force approach. A doppleganger will try to attack your mage, for my Dynaheir, in hand to hand, so I had to cover her with my fighters whilst moving my archers in for some explosive arrow-related tomfoolery. The advantage I found was that you do not have to roll back too much of the fog of war, so when all of the unpleasantness was over, there was two bodies on the floor that I had never even engaged. Nice. For spells though, the family favourites of Horror, Fireball, Web, Stinking Cloud, and of course Magic Missile should all do the trick. I don't recall using anything other than those. Sometimes the simplest plans are the simplest. Or so They tell me. ------------------ Making running away an art form

10-02-2001, 10:18 PM	#8
dex_man Dungeon Master Join Date: October 2, 2001 Location: Te Hoe, Waikato, New Zealand Posts: 74	Thanks for the help aint got past it yet but almost, i think though i have to disagree with Telchar of Nogrod coz that guy with the arrows never seems to pick on Dynahier he always seems to go for minsk or jaheria, also what spells are the two fighter/druids using when they call down big colums of fire, they kick arse (mine usually), the two mages arent that much of a hassel i can usually ignore them, they jst seem to cast horror spells which dont bother me (i have all my characters on potions) + the fireball spell aint really any use if you come up the left stairs coz then you end up nailing your own players

10-02-2001, 11:15 PM	#9
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	That spell is Flamestrike. It's a Druid spell, and also comes in the Wand of the Heavens, purchased at Sorcerous Sundries. Only Clerics & Druids can use it.

10-02-2001, 11:18 PM	#10
SixOfSpades Dracolisk Join Date: September 16, 2001 Location: Bellingham, WA, USA Age: 48 Posts: 6,901	MINOR SPOILER - - - - Oh, yeah. StarVid? How the hell can you equip one of your fighters with the Ring of Free Action when you don't find that ring until AFTER the fight in question? Potions of Freedom and the spell Free Action do the same thing, though. ------------------ "How do you define 'fool?'" "I don't attempt to. I wait for examples. They inevitably surpass my imagination."

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