How hard is it to not have a mage in the party?

[Trau]

What can non-spellcasters to against high-level mages?

[Gangrell]

They can do a variety of things, depending on what you have. A wizard slayer can defeat a high level mage by cutting through spell protections and a berserker in rage can't be effected by mind-influencing spells or Imprisonment. Monks have high magic resistances (or resistances anyway) so they can fight a wizard well, and so forth. So you can really use an asortment of classes to beat wizards.

As for not having a mage in your party, it doesn't matter. It doesn't hamper you if you don't have a guy shooting out fireworks in your party [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Later

[Sir Exxon]

Bash 'em. [img]tongue.gif[/img] By the time you have come far enough in the game to reach really powerful mages, you also probably have found many different potions and scrolls that will protect you partly from magic. Use a the scroll Protection from Magic and a mage will survive only until his protections dies out.

I'm not saying that warriors are more powerful, though, cause they aren't. It's just that with all the good stuff that is included in this game, it isn't as hard to defeat mages as it would seem. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Angelousss]

do you have a paladin? If you do dispel from the casomyr or from an inquisitor, you'll be able to breach there protections you should be able to do ok.

[Xero279]

Its quite possible to not use mages, as Pirengle as a all anti magic party.. doesnt even have a cleric.

You just gotta bash thru their protections, and as much as i hate to say it , smash the mages skulls in!

[Gangrell]

*Points down at his sig*

You know it

[SixOfSpades]

Originally posted by Gangrell: A wizard slayer can defeat a high level mage by cutting through spell protections....

Well, yes, but so can anyone else who's using a weapon and not a spell. The only weapons that Wizard Slayers currently have against spellcasters are their Magic Resistance (which is lower than the Monk's) and their ability to cause stacking Spell Failure with each hit. For simply whacking Mages, the Inquisitor is better. But ALL Warriors can clean house where spellcasters are concerned, simply because their Saving Throws get SO low, SO fast, that they can shrug off most of the damage and not even flinch.

Note, however, that shrugging off "most of the damage" is not always enough. Wizards, played intelligently, will rock Warriors from one end of Faerun to the other.

[Gangrell]

Originally posted by SixOfSpades: Note, however, that shrugging off "most of the damage" is not always enough. Wizards, played intelligently, will rock Warriors from one end of Faerun to the other.

Only with the Tactics Mod Six, only with the Tactics Mod

[Nerull]

Originally posted by Trau: What can non-spellcasters to against high-level mages?

Easiest thing to do is stock up on weapons that do energy damage, though some wizards do cast spells that resist energy as well. However, in an unmodified game, their strongest defenses are Stoneskin and the "Mantle spells" (Protection from Magical Weapons, Mantle, Improved Mantle, Absolute Immunity). They also throw up a bunch of anti-magic spells, but those don't mean anything if you are not using magic. Energy weapons will do the energy damage through a Stoneskin, and the "Mantle spells" have notoriously short durations.

Also, traps can do damage through defenses as well, though this can be considered major cheese ("hmmm....the wizard always appears right here, so let me throw a bunch of traps right at the spot he spawns at...").

[Annatar]

In a plain vanilla SoA, the mages lack tactics and propper spellcasting abilities.. even the one mage that should be freaking though is a wuss that can be obliterated by a single person (class does not matter).

Without tactics, mages/liches/endbosses are plain cheesyniss.

With tactics, they got some rather goofy tactics to (even cheating tactics if you ask me) but now they are worth it.. they become notorious for there abilities, this was not the thing in plain SoA.

But even with Tactics a non-magic party can clean house with a bunch of liches (its gonna be hard, ofcorse), everything is possible, plain SoA its even easier.