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Old 04-29-2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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Trick or Treat Obama on Stimulus?

What is the world coming to?
I've heard a few things about this package, and not a lot of people have very nice things to say about it.

I'd like to know what all you Ironworkers think about this, whether from the U.S. or not.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:06 AM   #2
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From Yahoo News:
Treasury needs record $361B April-June borrowing
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WASHINGTON – The Treasury Department said Monday it will need to borrow $361 billion in the current April-June quarter, a record amount for that period.

It's the third straight quarter the government's borrowing needs have set records for those periods.

Treasury also estimated it will need to borrow $515 billion in the July-September quarter, down slightly from the $530 billion borrowed during the year-ago period. The all-time high of $569 billion was set in the October-December period.

The huge borrowing needs reflect the soaring costs of the $700 billion financial rescue program and the recession, which is nearing a record as the longest in the post World War II period.

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The administration is projecting the federal deficit for the entire budget year ending Sept. 30, will total a record $1.75 trillion. A deficit at that level would nearly quadruple the previous record of $454.8 billion set last year.

To cover the government's heavy borrowing needs, Congress in February boosted the limit for the national debt to $12.1 trillion as part of the legislation that enacted President Barack Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus program. The national debt now stands at $11.1 trillion.

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The $361 billion estimate for borrowing this quarter compared with borrowing needs of just $13 billion in the year-ago period. Normally the government's borrowing needs shrink sharply in the April-June quarter because of all the tax revenue being collected.
I think we're screwed...
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:37 AM   #3
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I think we're screwed...
You just figure that out?
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Old 04-29-2009, 12:25 PM   #4
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You just figure that out?
Nope. I got that feeling when President Bush signed his bailout package. That's when I became convinced we're too far gone to recover -- we're just gonna keep digging deeper & deeper.

I think there's a Chinese curse that says "May you live in interesting times." These are interesting times...
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Old 04-29-2009, 03:27 PM   #5
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I think we are past the worst and it could have been worse.

Vulcanrider, I've heard that saying can equally be either curse or a blessing, maybe even both.
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:34 PM   #6
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Nope. I got that feeling when President Bush signed his bailout package. That's when I became convinced we're too far gone to recover -- we're just gonna keep digging deeper & deeper.

I think there's a Chinese curse that says "May you live in interesting times." These are interesting times...
"May you have an interesting life."
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Old 04-29-2009, 06:36 PM   #7
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"May you have an interesting life."
Are you blessing or cursing me?
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Old 04-29-2009, 07:55 PM   #8
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Interesting indeed. Especially after begging the spousal unit to invest $8575 dollars into Ford stock when it was $0.84 a share two weeks past! By the way, it closed at $5.45 today!

In other stimulus related news, has anybody noticed their decrease in federal taxes and increase in take home dollars?
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:12 PM   #9
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Way to go Felix !!! But I expect the government to look for new/increased taxes to pay for their spending spree - I hope you don't get hit too hard when you cash 'em out...


EDIT: BTW, did anybody watch the President's news conference tonight? I sat down to watch & promptly fell asleep sitting up on the couch... :sleep3:
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:15 AM   #10
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