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Meanal · 01-28-2002, 11:31 AM

I would just like to know who has the strongest attacks out of the warriors and the monks

Sir Exxon · 01-28-2002, 02:29 PM

That totally depends on weapons, profs, etc.
But the standard monk, is much better then an unarmed fighter, for an example.

see ya!

Sir ReGiN · 01-28-2002, 02:31 PM

Yes, A monk is pretty much unstoppable at higher levels, if he uses his fists..
But, a fighter can wear armor, the monk cannot..
It depends on how you want to play really..
And remember, the monk is really difficult at low levels..

01-28-2002, 06:14 PM

A monk with 19 or more strength equipped with a certain girdle (which gives +3 or 4 to fist damage) is absolutely unstoppable.

Barlik Longbeard · 01-29-2002, 06:50 AM

Never played as a MOnk and I don't like the concept. The fact that you cant wear armour is a real downpoint. A fighter Half-orc, with an AC of -8 without drow armour and a kick rs sword will really hurt the enemy. More so than the Monk at the same level. No competition.

Barlik Longbeard · 01-29-2002, 06:54 AM

Sorry, I wasn't on the point. The fighter has been known to do up to 60 dammage in a single hit (with the silver sword it can kill anyone in one hit). I dunno about the Monk, but with a maximum of +5 fists (which cant kill, only knock out) I dont think that you can do any real killing dammage.

Nifft the Nimble · 01-29-2002, 11:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Barlik Longbeard:
Sorry, I wasn't on the point. The fighter has been known to do up to 60 dammage in a single hit (with the silver sword it can kill anyone in one hit). I dunno about the Monk, but with a maximum of +5 fists (which cant kill, only knock out) I dont think that you can do any real killing dammage.

Monks can do similar damage, I mean think about it:

Fighter's weapon does 1-12 base damage AT MOST.
Monk's weapon (fist) does 1-20 base damage.

Then add on the strength and weapon bonuses:
Monk +4 Gauntlets of *mumblemumble*, fighter +3 Silver Sword.
Monk +7 strength damage, fighter +7 strength damage -- whatever it is, it's the same strength bonus.
Fighter +3 Grandmastery in weapon bonus.

Both monks and fighters can attack up to 5 times per round, so let's just focus on a single attack:

Monk: 1-20 + 4 + 7 = 12-31
Fighter: 1-12 + 3 + 3 + 7 = 13-25
That's if the Monk's fist counting as a +4 weapon does NOT give a damage bonus ... if it does, the monk wins by an even larger margin.

The one area in which monks lose out is elemental damage. A fighter with the Flail of Ages or the Dragon's Breath halberd will do damage even to a stoneskined mage, while a monk will only inflict "normal" non-elemental damage.

And contrary to how normal fists behave, a monk's fists are deadly weapons, able to slay and even blast into little foe-shaped bits.

-- Nifft

Meanal · 01-29-2002, 11:35 AM

Thanks for your help now just a tinsy winsy little question, is the Monks fist and the gsunltlets of mumble a blunt weapon or magical so i can hit an iron and stone golem

01-28-2002, 11:31 AM	#1
Meanal Dungeon Master Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: London Posts: 73	I would just like to know who has the strongest attacks out of the warriors and the monks __________________ Meanal The Newbie<p>The pen is mightier than the sword, but a headbutt is mightier than the pencil case

01-28-2002, 02:31 PM	#3
Sir ReGiN Gold Dragon Join Date: August 11, 2001 Location: The land of blonde virgins Age: 42 Posts: 2,563	Yes, A monk is pretty much unstoppable at higher levels, if he uses his fists.. But, a fighter can wear armor, the monk cannot.. It depends on how you want to play really.. And remember, the monk is really difficult at low levels.. __________________ Take a look at your Promised Land<br />Your deed is that gun in your hand

01-29-2002, 06:50 AM	#5
Barlik Longbeard Manshoon Join Date: January 17, 2002 Location: England Age: 39 Posts: 182	Never played as a MOnk and I don't like the concept. The fact that you cant wear armour is a real downpoint. A fighter Half-orc, with an AC of -8 without drow armour and a kick rs sword will really hurt the enemy. More so than the Monk at the same level. No competition. __________________ \"Revere the ancestors, obey your king, bear yours arms with pride, fear no foe, hate the Greenskin, mistrust the Elf, and you can do no wrong.\" - An Old Dwarf Saying

01-29-2002, 06:54 AM	#6
Barlik Longbeard Manshoon Join Date: January 17, 2002 Location: England Age: 39 Posts: 182	Sorry, I wasn't on the point. The fighter has been known to do up to 60 dammage in a single hit (with the silver sword it can kill anyone in one hit). I dunno about the Monk, but with a maximum of +5 fists (which cant kill, only knock out) I dont think that you can do any real killing dammage. __________________ \"Revere the ancestors, obey your king, bear yours arms with pride, fear no foe, hate the Greenskin, mistrust the Elf, and you can do no wrong.\" - An Old Dwarf Saying

01-29-2002, 11:30 AM	#7
Nifft the Nimble Avatar Join Date: October 4, 2001 Location: NYC Forever! Age: 50 Posts: 520	quote: Originally posted by Barlik Longbeard: Sorry, I wasn't on the point. The fighter has been known to do up to 60 dammage in a single hit (with the silver sword it can kill anyone in one hit). I dunno about the Monk, but with a maximum of +5 fists (which cant kill, only knock out) I dont think that you can do any real killing dammage. Monks can do similar damage, I mean think about it: Fighter's weapon does 1-12 base damage AT MOST. Monk's weapon (fist) does 1-20 base damage. Then add on the strength and weapon bonuses: Monk +4 Gauntlets of mumblemumble, fighter +3 Silver Sword. Monk +7 strength damage, fighter +7 strength damage -- whatever it is, it's the same strength bonus. Fighter +3 Grandmastery in weapon bonus. Both monks and fighters can attack up to 5 times per round, so let's just focus on a single attack: Monk: 1-20 + 4 + 7 = 12-31 Fighter: 1-12 + 3 + 3 + 7 = 13-25 That's if the Monk's fist counting as a +4 weapon does NOT give a damage bonus ... if it does, the monk wins by an even larger margin. The one area in which monks lose out is elemental damage. A fighter with the Flail of Ages or the Dragon's Breath halberd will do damage even to a stoneskined mage, while a monk will only inflict "normal" non-elemental damage. And contrary to how normal fists behave, a monk's fists are deadly weapons, able to slay and even blast into little foe-shaped bits. -- Nifft

01-28-2002, 02:29 PM	#2
Sir Exxon Zartan Join Date: October 15, 2001 Location: Oslo, Norway Age: 35 Posts: 5,367	That totally depends on weapons, profs, etc. But the standard monk, is much better then an unarmed fighter, for an example. see ya!

01-28-2002, 06:14 PM	#4
Sorcerer Alex Guest Posts: n/a	A monk with 19 or more strength equipped with a certain girdle (which gives +3 or 4 to fist damage) is absolutely unstoppable.

01-29-2002, 11:35 AM	#8
Meanal Dungeon Master Join Date: January 24, 2002 Location: London Posts: 73	Thanks for your help now just a tinsy winsy little question, is the Monks fist and the gsunltlets of mumble a blunt weapon or magical so i can hit an iron and stone golem __________________ Meanal The Newbie<p>The pen is mightier than the sword, but a headbutt is mightier than the pencil case

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