By Popular Demand...We should LOVE the Kobold not hate him

[Myrddin L'argenton]

Originally posted by Keraptisdm: Oh the shame of it all, seeing my esteemed colleauges bashing poor Mr. Baggins while he is away on his Thanksgivng holiday. No doubt giving thanks for our noble and worthy cause, a society where all are treated with equality. And my dear Mr. Myrrdin L'argenton, to become a member of the K.A.K., one must first be bludgeoned across the skull, whereas your intelligence is lowered to the level of a rat. Only then, with a low intelligence, will they admit you into their rather closed and brutal society. And once again, reading this thread makes me burst out laughing. Did my eyes deceive me, or has Lord Brass been frolicking around on another forum?

The name is Myrddin, and I'm sure that low intelligence is needed for the BYOB (whatever) party. And Dragis, if you want Jahiera go to SoA, play the game as a male and have your heart's desire.

[I wish my name was Baggins]

Originally posted by Myrddin L'argenton: Oh yeah how do I join KAK?

This is an easy process. Just lose your mind and become a mindless party-line spewing bigot.

[I wish my name was Baggins]

I am sure that we can all see that the members of KAK and their unnumerable splinter factions have only the courage to attack the leadership of BYOB while they are away proclaiming the cause of Kobold integration across the lands and away from their computers. Accolades and Laurels upon the head of Keraptisdm who has defended his contemporaries so staunchly. I would also call to light the foundless accusation that has been brought to the forum by the KAK simians that we at BYOB do not offer proof to validate our claims that Kobolds can be successfully integrated into society. This is easily proven false by the stories of success told by our far reaching grass roots organization demonstrated so superbly by the new member in good standing Morguerat and his story of the successful integration of the valient Kobold Paladin Fuzzy Lumpkins. I need not go on...time and time again we at BYOB have proven our case to be true and the resistance to necessary societal change exhibited by KAK and the multitude of splinter groups is foundless and clearly a sign that they fear that an influx of integrated Kobolds will make them compete for the sewer cleaning, stable washing and house-maid jobs that they now hold.

[Grungi]

well as i was distracted on another forum bit by keraptism and lord brass ill state my views here, instead of killing the kobold we should enslave him, set him to work doing things such as toilet cleaning and taking out the rubbish and tax him heavily that way making him a reliable member of normal society [img]smile.gif[/img]

oh and its BENEFICIAL pls pls pls spell that right [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Dragis]

shaking my head in wonder*
first i am not at this time a member of KaK though they do propose words of thought i mearly asked a question.
However there does seem to be a trend among the members of B.Y.O.B and it'd not what one would call a Beneficial trend but i have noticed on atleast two seperated occasion were legitimate questions or conserns were brought up and instead of answering the question the B.Y.O.B insulted and attacked the K.A.K
aswell as jumping to conclusions all that has been heard from B.Y.O.B is your views with little or no substantal fact to back it up.

and to clear up a point i have heard none but myself question the validity of Morguerat claim ..

so i shall pose the questions again to give you anouther chance to answer them

1)the question by the speaker for K.A.K he mentions the Kobolds prolific reproduction how do you plan to keep the population exlpotion under control for he is right no Druid i Know of would permit such a disruption to the balance

2) how do you justify the defending of the Kobold and fight for Kobold rights (who asside from unfounded unproven claims) has done nothing to aid socety in any way but can be sited on many occasion (that can be proven)where they have been disruptive to it when there are still highly functing and Beneficial members of society they are being disceimitated against

*sitting down to see if they will answer the questions with fact or attack with empty words*

[Myrddin L'argenton]

Yeah I've noticed that they tend to insult rather than answer questions of the KAK. Is this meaning that the KAK are smarter that the BYOB?

[Grungi]

its a fair point made, they do tend to disparage the KaK members frequently with little cause, maybe they are kobolds in disguise, that would explain things [img]smile.gif[/img]

[I wish my name was Baggins]

Originally posted by Dragis: shaking my head in wonder* first i am not at this time a member of KaK though they do propose words of thought i mearly asked a question. However there does seem to be a trend among the members of B.Y.O.B and it'd not what one would call a Beneficial trend but i have noticed on atleast two seperated occasion were legitimate questions or conserns were brought up and instead of answering the question the B.Y.O.B insulted and attacked the K.A.K aswell as jumping to conclusions all that has been heard from B.Y.O.B is your views with little or no substantal fact to back it up. and to clear up a point i have heard none but myself question the validity of Morguerat claim .. so i shall pose the questions again to give you anouther chance to answer them 1)the question by the speaker for K.A.K he mentions the Kobolds prolific reproduction how do you plan to keep the population exlpotion under control for he is right no Druid i Know of would permit such a disruption to the balance 2) how do you justify the defending of the Kobold and fight for Kobold rights (who asside from unfounded unproven claims) has done nothing to aid socety in any way but can be sited on many occasion (that can be proven)where they have been disruptive to it when there are still highly functing and Beneficial members of society they are being disceimitated against *sitting down to see if they will answer the questions with fact or attack with empty words*

Questions are asked and questions shall be answered.

First in response to the questions of the prolific birth rate of Kobolds one can see that the solution has been present in history time and time again. Take any civilization that you wish from the pages of history and you will see that while they are a fledgling society trying to assert themselves birthrates are always remakably high. But as that society moves through the stages of development from nomadic, to agrigan, to industrialized, to civilized you can see that the rate of prolification drops dramatically. For example, A man and wife live on a farm and they may have 8 to 9 children who all contribute to the household, but if those children grow up educated and free to make their own decisions those who move to the cities may have fewer children, while those who enter the upper echelons of the bourgoise class and live in the suburbs may have less still. Is this because there is less food or room for them? No, it simply means that as success, acceptance and financial stability rise...the rate of prolification falls. So here at B.Y.O.B. we recognize the fact that our efforts to raise the Kobold out of the gutter and into productive positions in society are in fact the same efforts that will not only result in the curbing of the Kobold population but the enhancment of that populations productivity and contribution to society as well.

In answer to your second question regarding BYOB's choice of the Kobold to spearhead our "Demi-human Outreach and Uplift Program"...headed by none other than the widely respected Keraptisdm who is lauded throughout the Sword Coast for his wisdom and benevolence...We at BYOB are firm believers that there is no such thing as a monster. True there are races of beings all around our world that have the reputation for being...less than hospitable to travelers on the road...we believe this to be more a product of environment and upbringing than the less likely belief that there are hideous creatures bent on death and destruction from the cradle to the grave. So at BYOB we assume that the 'NURTURE' side of the arguement holds sway over the 'NATURE' opinion. After all, are not some of every race....Dwarven, Elf, Human and (Yes, even though the thought brings me personal pain) even Halflings...violent individuals bent on causing pain and discontent throughout the Sword Coast? Mullahey, Daveron, and a host of others of every race have tried repeatedly to plot against the Sword Coast by tainting our iron supply. Honestly, were it not for the constant vigilance of random adventuring parties that seem to swarm all over our Sword Coast who knows what sort of Havoc they would wreak. But I digress, If we were to remove the bad influences on Kobolds, educate them in our language and ways, instill programs that would create a more stable home lives, offer employment opportunities and...most importantly of all...remove the stigma that the Kobold is evil and worthless and smite bigotry throughout the Sword Coast. We would all see a Kobold society that would prosper and flourish culturally as well. For how many Kobold artists and poets have been thoughtlessly slaughtered by adventurers before they even knew how to wield a pen? If the voice of BYOB is heard and becomes the collective voice of all of those who claim themselves to be champions of what is good and right then there is no way that we, or the Kobold, can fail.

Finally, As a prominent voice in the BYOB movement I would like to make clear that although it seems that we do not always answer questions that the KAK poses in what could be considered a timely manner...I would like for the forum to consider one question from BYOB..."How long has it been since a member of KAK asked a question that has not already been answered in public forum by one of our many spokesbeings?" The tactic that KAK is trying to use is one of deception whose goal is to try and catch us in a slip of the tounge rather than prove or deny the validity of our policy. As a halfling in the Sword Coast, even one with such a prestigious name as Baggins, I face discrimination due to my size up and down the land. Even though I am an accomplished adventurer who has risen through the ranks and slain many hundreds upon hundreds of creatures single-handedly I am still faced with a constant barrage of short jokes. Now I am able to defend myself but there are others who do not have this ability and it is for those that I fight.

Thank you for your time....Mr. Baggins yields the Floor.

[InsaneBane]

I will start to state that I am not a member of either B.Y.O.B. or K.A.K.

I have always seen the kobolds as part of the lower end of the food chain (somewhere between squirels and hobgoblings (I'll bet that the wolves and the bears are taking a 'kobold-snack' from time to time [img]smile.gif[/img] )).

I do not think that we could train the whole kobold 'community' to be more civilized (maybe a couple of individuals - as when having a pet dire wolf following your tracks). But I do not know, as none has tried yet (I have heard a lot of talk, but seen no action yet).

The only problem I see, is that you, as (I certainly hope) one of the individuals at the top of the 'food chain', cannot just ignore those small biting-as-hungry-mosquitoes-on-a-hot-day-in-the-jungle creatures. If only you could agree on some global if-you-kobolds-would-ignore-me-I-will-ignore-you-agreement, the problem would be solved.

I guess if we let the B.Y.O.B members fulfill their save-the-kobold-task (and thereby making the kobolds ignore the rest of us), the rest of us could take on other (and more) important tasks (i.e. slaughtering the more 'fleshy' creatures).

The only downside, I can see by choosing this solution, is that as soon as the B.Y.O.B community makes progress (though I doubt they will) with civilizing the kobolds, they will start to demand that the same action should be taken with the more fleshy beasts, ending up with no work to do for a strong swordarm.

Some of evil alignment might argue that there is nothing wrong with 'sitting ducks', but what should all the real heroes make for a living? Hunt down the evil aligned?

Insane

[Dragis]

well answered Mr Baggins your arguments are valid but i still have my doubts
and having that doubt i must in good conscience ask what precautions you would take to insure we don't end up with an angry mob of Kobolds within the cities themselves