People like this need to be put away....permanently

[Ace of Spades]

That story sickens me every time I read it. That poor child.

Originally posted by Cloudbringer: quote: Originally posted by Jeffi0: BTW, so it's 50-60k. Even that isn't a huge amount of money- one or two taxpayers make up that difference. In a country of millions of people. My main point is that since we didn't give him life we shouldn't take it away, and he can't harm anyone locked up in jail. I've said that before though, and nobody but you is listening, so there is no point in saying it again. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Uh, it is nearly twice my yearly salary. To me, that's alot. I don't get free food, free tv and free medical care. I don't get to pursue a legal career or other education at no expense in a well stocked library instead of working 5 days a week. They don't have 'freedom' to come and go when they want anymore but the perks are sure nice for people who've broken laws and are a danger to individuals and society in many cases.

Just my personal mini-rant here! [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QB][/QUOTE]Yeah! and if you don't mind me paraphrasing from Fraggle Rock "The CloudBringer has spoken! Nyaaaaaa!"

Oh and don't forget, they get internet access too..some of YOU may be some of "them"!!!!! That might explain the go soft on evil people attitudes ...hmmmmmmm

[Melusine]

Originally posted by Ace of Spades: That story sickens me every time I read it. That poor child.

Exactly. It's unbelieveable.

[NiceWorg]

Reading that fills me with rage and anger. Could only read half of it. Like somebody said, this is probably the worst thing man ever has to read.

[ 11-21-2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: NiceWorg ]

[Elif Godson]

Some very good points and views have been stated here, I applaud you all, it is nice to see the diverse views on how a person like this should be handled. Yes he is a personn, but by no means a human being, They say it takes a villiage to raise a child, but it also takes that village to protect the child. We must not forget that our children are our lives, we only grow through them and what get's done to these innocents on a dialy basis should never be allowed or let go. These predators are very dangerous no matter how much rehabilitation they recieve. Once you walk down that road you cannot simply stop and turn around and everything will be okay. I have seen far to many times a murder be let loose because he had served his time and in the eye's of such and such state he/she is rehabilitated only to do the same thing or worse over again. In my area, slightly off topic, there are over 24 sexual predators living within 5 miles of my home, where my tow beautiful daughters eat sleep and play, I know what these men and women look like and I know where they live, now Im not saying that if either of my children were to disappear that is where I would go first, but chances are stacked in that direction. There is no greater fear or anger than a parent who is missing there child or has had there child raped or worse by these types of people. It does effect the whole village contrary to popular belief. It ripples throught the family and in that the community because each one person has to realise that that could have been there child or nephew or cousin. We as a people need to take a greater responsability for life and cherish it, LIVE it instead of existing in it.
Sorry if this meanders but I have far to many thought's and not enough energy to put them into any form of symetry. I could go on and on case studies and wrong doing's, but let me leave it at this.

When you say a person die, either through a malicous act or just old age, it changes you. You go through a metamorphisis and see many thing's differently.
If you witness a murder or a violent crime it can and will warp you. When you have to tell a child or a parent that there loved one is gone, I tell you now that it something that will pray you never have to do. To tell a friend, a wife a mother that son daughter husband or what ever is dead is no easy task. So there is problem, what is there to be done with these murder's and rapist's in todays society, Killl them which is never an easy subject, have them suffer the same way that there victim/victims did ? Life inprisonment and let there fellow prisnor's deal with them ? Life is not an easy thing to do and to take one, well that subject has been covered and beaten, but life is a very precious thing and whether you pray to god or some form of diety or do not believe at all we al have this one thing in common, we live and we die in a breath so enjoy what little time you have in this form of life, make something of yourself so that when you lay down that final time you have lament's and just be a human being.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Tortured? Actually NO, but saying he deserves it isn't really the same as doing it. Killed? Absolutely, I think he should be put to sleep like a rabid dog.

Would you like to explain why we should allowed state sponsered murder?

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Do you know what it entails? I doubt it unless you are the "black-hooded ax man" at a penal institution responsible for administering that punishment, or a murderer. Evidently not? Please spare us your "holier than thou" attitude. You have about as much knowledge about killing someone as anyone else here.

Oh?
I know That humans killing other humans Is a bad Thing(TM) no matter the circumstances
Do you have evidence to prove otherwise?

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: See Neb's post for a rebuke of this silly statement

Why is it silly?
Do you expect to be allowed to live your life?
The right to life must be applied for all or not at all.
Anyone who would deny that, denies the most fundamental of human rights.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: BTW, it's very nice that you spent your entire post attacking the opinons of others and saying why this piece of trash should live, but didn't have a single comment for the victims. I love the "victims don't count", save the guilty mentality.

That is blatant Flamebait.

It could be considered flamebaitng, Eisen. However, we could say the same of your original post to be honest

The topic was about the case mentioned, not an invitation to put down opinions proffered by otehr members, whether you think them right or wrong

if you knew even half of the people you were so indignant at, you would know that they would NOT carry out the suggestions they mentioned. However, you do not, and you were not appointed our judge.

[Grojlach]

Originally posted by MagiK: Oh and don't forget, they get internet access too..some of YOU may be some of "them"!!!!! That might explain the go soft on evil people attitudes ...hmmmmmmm

Impressive way to put people who disagree with your opinions back in their place... If that masterwork example of refined, decent, respectful, and mature debating doesn't shut them up, then I don't know what else will.

[Ronn_Bman]

Originally posted by Eisenschwarz: quote: Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Tortured? Actually NO, but saying he deserves it isn't really the same as doing it. Killed? Absolutely, I think he should be put to sleep like a rabid dog.

Would you like to explain why we should allowed state sponsered murder?

No because as I said with my first post, I didn't want to turn this into a debate on the death penalty. That type of debate has been done over and over and never really amounts to anything. People have strong feelings and won't be swayed in their opinion by arguments here.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: Do you know what it entails? I doubt it unless you are the "black-hooded ax man" at a penal institution responsible for administering that punishment, or a murderer. Evidently not? Please spare us your "holier than thou" attitude. You have about as much knowledge about killing someone as anyone else here.

Oh?
I know That humans killing other humans Is a bad Thing(TM) no matter the circumstances
Do you have evidence to prove otherwise?

You said those who wished death on the man didn't know what it entails, as if you had some special inside knowledge of the process. You don't, hence my answer.

Do you have any evidence that proves executed murders can kill again?

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: See Neb's post for a rebuke of this silly statement

Why is it silly?
Do you expect to be allowed to live your life?
The right to life must be applied for all or not at all.
Anyone who would deny that, denies the most fundamental of human rights.

I expect to live life within the constraints of the society in which I live. Some crimes are inconsistant with the continued life of the criminal.

Originally posted by Ronn_Bman: BTW, it's very nice that you spent your entire post attacking the opinons of others and saying why this piece of trash should live, but didn't have a single comment for the victims. I love the "victims don't count", save the guilty mentality.

That is blatant Flamebait.[/QUOTE]No it isn't. It's the truth as I see it. You did spend your post attacking the opinions of others and saying why that piece of trash has the "right to life", but didn't have a single comment for the victims or their rights.

You seem to feel it's ok to state your opinions, and I feel it's ok to state mine. I don't like yours, and you don't like mine.

Oh, and I do love (in a sarcastic way, of course) the save the guilty mentality. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Originally posted by MagiK: In America (the part I grew up in at any rate) we call it justice. There is no virtue in preserving sick and perverted bastards like this. At least as fertilizer he will contribute to the common good.

So It's justice to Torture people?
Justice to allow state sponsered murder?

Originally posted by MagiK: I would posit, that if you feel anything but disgust, revulsion and anger about this person and his actions, I would request that you NEVER visit anywhere near where I live, please.

flamebait.
You know Full well that I feel disgust for what he has done, I wrote that the act was a “What he did is an act of pure insanity”

“All people have the right to life, even those guilty of the worst of crimes.”

Since this, Is within the context one of the worst of crimes.

Originally posted by MagiK: Yes I would and no you are wrong, I know exactly what it would entail and I would volunteer to do it. You worry about the offender, I worry and care about the innocent victim.

Straw man, Flamebait, What makes you think I wouldn't care about the victim?
Since I obviosly care about the criminal too, I seem to have a higher level of compassion than you.

Originally posted by MagiK: Majorly false assumption. This notion is idealistic pap.

Would you like to explain why?
Otherwise this is nothing more than blatant flamebait.
(not that'd I'd expect much else)

Originally posted by MagiK: What he did was an evil vile act that cannot be undone, whats worse, if kept alive he could do it to others, there is not one single reason this person should draw another breath.

I can go out and murder people If i want, You could too, So could you reading this now.
Shall we kill all these people too?

Originally posted by MagiK: Just my opinions of course, but I seriously do not want anyone with your type of "compassion" living in my community. I was taught to protect children above all else, and the only way to ensure this sick animal never does anything even remotely like this again is to put him down like the rabid dog he is.

That's one of the most insulting posts I've read here.

Originally posted by MagiK: Edit: I apologize if this seems like Im attacking you personally, I am not angry at you, but I do have a problem with people who defend this kind of scum...and that gives scum a bad name. You have your point of view. I hope some day you grow out of it.[/QB]

This is a patronising and Insulting post, some of the most insulting and blatant flame bait I have ever seen anywhere, and then you have the nerve to try and wiggle out of it here.